MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hellenic Riot]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

I've been trying to and asking people to. But your 3 posts last night I just don't get as anything but a meltdown for unspecified reasons.

I can't come up with town motivation either...

Are you a lover and celaph is your mate?

Are you both masons?

I saw no reason to talk all night about it and was content to die if necessary. My town motivation is that I didn't want either person I townread to die. I think that's the mathematical best strategy, and I'm certainly not apologising for it. Also, I like to watch the world burn

[kgray]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

Fine. ##unend

[Hellenic Riot]

Fair and precise question. I still think the tie vote was egregious but I am willing to hear them out on it.

Who got blocked?

I don't think the tie was a bad thing. As I pointed out in my scum team averages post yesterday regarding the info-flipping, there's probably 3-4 mafia, maybe 5 or even 6 aliens, and a potential serial killer. That's 8-10 scum in all likelihood, probably closer to 8. Which means that with 19 living players we're already at our final day of having a majority, and even in better scenarios we're probably only one miskill away from losing it. There's a strong chance we lose our plurality as early as D4 if things go badly. So when I got a townread on celaph during that EoD, and already saw no reason whatsoever for Ezio to lie, I decided a tie was better for us. And I think I was right. And it got to piss you all off. Win/Win/Win.

Except that you know intentionally tying a vote means you'll be killed next, and scum will get an extra night of actions, so there's no way you actually believe this.

Who cares if scum have an extra night of actions? We've already concluded that they don't have a Godfather - So extra nights of actions mean more cop reports which are just superior in every way. They also probably don't have a roleblocker, and there's no loud mafia role so we have a chance of loud townies being able to get pocket clears on themselves

FWIW the person who can clear me probably won't be online for hours

[DemonRHK]

Goddamn it HR you (REDACTED) If you're stalling this hamm to get a 40 hour night because Jamie won't be around to call I fucking swear

[Ezio]

##vote HR till he gets himself cleared lol.

[kgray]

I found that HR post utterly convincing about rdr. I'm less sure about the 2nd effect of kgray being scum (easily believable as town who doesn't scumread rdr). But in addition to HR's points about rdr:

1) rdr has been killed early and often as town in recent games. I get the impression he wants a respite from that. And this game is perfect for it with the half-open nature.

2) He has contributed even less than I'd expect, while also being somewhat clued in for someone who doesn't have time to read nearly 300 pages. Seems like he might be getting a distilled version somewhere.

All that said: ##vote HR
##end

Also, what night activities are we claiming now? RB? Vote block? Vanilla-ized? Doc-saved? Those seem reasonable to me. But want group opinion. Those that seem less reasonable (but group opinion welcome): loud visits, Parrot visits (if known).

I think I listed all things that someone may have been alerted to.

If nobody was saved last night: Was the first kill the alien's using their factional? Is SK/mafia holstering their kills? Not sure the implications.

God this is scummy.

[kgray]

I don't think the tie was a bad thing. As I pointed out in my scum team averages post yesterday regarding the info-flipping, there's probably 3-4 mafia, maybe 5 or even 6 aliens, and a potential serial killer. That's 8-10 scum in all likelihood, probably closer to 8. Which means that with 19 living players we're already at our final day of having a majority, and even in better scenarios we're probably only one miskill away from losing it. There's a strong chance we lose our plurality as early as D4 if things go badly. So when I got a townread on celaph during that EoD, and already saw no reason whatsoever for Ezio to lie, I decided a tie was better for us. And I think I was right. And it got to piss you all off. Win/Win/Win.

Except that you know intentionally tying a vote means you'll be killed next, and scum will get an extra night of actions, so there's no way you actually believe this.

Who cares if scum have an extra night of actions? We've already concluded that they don't have a Godfather - So extra nights of actions mean more cop reports which are just superior in every way. They also probably don't have a roleblocker, and there's no loud mafia role so we have a chance of loud townies being able to get pocket clears on themselves

FWIW the person who can clear me probably won't be online for hours

You literally can't be town here... I don't believe you're this bad at this.

[Hellenic Riot]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

[DemonRHK]

PEOPLE

Every post is an attempt to extend the day a minute at a time.

Every minute is more time for him to try to weasel his way out of this shit.

[Hellenic Riot]

PEOPLE

Every post is an attempt to extend the day a minute at a time.

Every minute is more time for him to try to weasel his way out of this shit.

Or you can wait so that They can clear me

[ghug]

I don't think the tie was a bad thing. As I pointed out in my scum team averages post yesterday regarding the info-flipping, there's probably 3-4 mafia, maybe 5 or even 6 aliens, and a potential serial killer. That's 8-10 scum in all likelihood, probably closer to 8. Which means that with 19 living players we're already at our final day of having a majority, and even in better scenarios we're probably only one miskill away from losing it. There's a strong chance we lose our plurality as early as D4 if things go badly. So when I got a townread on celaph during that EoD, and already saw no reason whatsoever for Ezio to lie, I decided a tie was better for us. And I think I was right. And it got to piss you all off. Win/Win/Win.

Except that you know intentionally tying a vote means you'll be killed next, and scum will get an extra night of actions, so there's no way you actually believe this.

Who cares if scum have an extra night of actions? We've already concluded that they don't have a Godfather - So extra nights of actions mean more cop reports which are just superior in every way. They also probably don't have a roleblocker, and there's no loud mafia role so we have a chance of loud townies being able to get pocket clears on themselves

FWIW the person who can clear me probably won't be online for hours

Is the person who can clear you Jamie, when you flip?

[BunnyGo]

I'm not an especially useful role, but someone here can clear me, so I am ambivalent. What do you think were my scum motivations there?

##unend what?

How can you believe this?

I'm willing to talk.

And there is technically a town way he could have been screwing around (with all the HERO vs TEAM horseshit I dislike about a lot of playstyles here--my own included in the games I think I do badly in). I think his push on you was a massive overreach. But if he and celaph are lovers...I mean, that's a reason to vote like that.

If he and celaph are masons, it'd explain what I've been getting off of celaph. Why he's online all the time and never posting.

What's the harm in letting him bloviate? Lord knows we've done it enough.

[Donny Dude]

PEOPLE

Every post is an attempt to extend the day a minute at a time.

Every minute is more time for him to try to weasel his way out of this shit.

Or you can wait so that They can clear me

Is it Macca?

[kgray]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

What's the town motivation for lying about having mechanically cleared scum?

[DemonRHK]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

If you are in ANY FUCKING ALTERNATE REALITY town, this constitutes an intentional game throw and runs counter to the rules of mafia.

[Hellenic Riot]

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

What's the town motivation for lying about having mechanically cleared scum?

I might get my scumread killed, and I get to look amazing in the process

[kgray]

##unend what?

How can you believe this?

I'm willing to talk.

And there is technically a town way he could have been screwing around (with all the HERO vs TEAM horseshit I dislike about a lot of playstyles here--my own included in the games I think I do badly in). I think his push on you was a massive overreach. But if he and celaph are lovers...I mean, that's a reason to vote like that.

If he and celaph are masons, it'd explain what I've been getting off of celaph. Why he's online all the time and never posting.

What's the harm in letting him bloviate? Lord knows we've done it enough.

None of that explains claiming to have a confirmed guilty on me.

[kgray]

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

What's the town motivation for lying about having mechanically cleared scum?

I might get my scumread killed, and I get to look amazing in the process

You look like absolute trash HR.

[Hellenic Riot]

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

If you are in ANY FUCKING ALTERNATE REALITY town, this constitutes an intentional game throw and runs counter to the rules of mafia.

What part of 'No Kills are better than Miskills' in a setup where town might lose its plurality as early as D4 is too hard for you to comprehend?

[DemonRHK]

PEOPLE

Every post is an attempt to extend the day a minute at a time.

Every minute is more time for him to try to weasel his way out of this shit.

Or you can wait so that They can clear me

You're combo fishing for more info and a miracle and over my fucking dead body will I give you either.