MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

Solid choices. Check out:

Agent Garbo, David Strangeways, Christopher Lee, Virginia Hall, Witold Pilecki (all WWII era) Great stories all of them. Garbo was probably the best liar. Just straight up could lie about anything and convince you that coffee is blue. Strangeways was the mech: understood connections, implications, and strange valuations that paid off later. Pilecki and Hall were just brave as anything. And Lee...well it's Christopher Lee.

Oh I remember Garbo! He was that Spanish chicken farmer guy, wasn't he? Didn't he convince the Germans that he had a huge spyring in England but he was actually in Portugal for most of it?

Yeah, told the Germans the British drank coffee and wine. And somehow the Germans bought it and decided he had a network of over 20 agents in England. All while hanging out in Lisbon and paying a pilot to take his letters from Lisbon to post them from England back to Lisbon.

Strangeways did weird stuff. When Garbo would tell a lie about a unit of tanks in a region, then Strangeways would go in with tracks and make the lie look real. He also was fanatical, fought his way into German occupied Tunis before the Allies did so that he could steal the codebooks.

Pilecki volunteered to be captured and sent to Auschwitz. So that he could form a network of resistance and intelligence gathering inside.

Yeah, and then the British picked him up because they figured out he existed from German messages talking about the most inane stuff.

On a similar tangent, I have a book somewhere about how the British made teams of guys who would try to run onto sinking U-boats and get the codebooks and enigma machines before they sank (spoiler: it was really hard)

Wow, that's brave. What happened to him?

[brainbomb]

you guys are just cluttering the thread with a bunch of crap
wtf are you even rambling about

[Bonatogether]

you guys are just cluttering the thread with a bunch of crap
wtf are you even rambling about

we're talking about who the prs are in code

[BunnyGo]

Pilecki volunteered to be captured and sent to Auschwitz. So that he could form a network of resistance and intelligence gathering inside.

Wow, that's brave. What happened to him?

He was a Polish patriot, and somewhat crazy. Left his family to do it.

He was somewhat successful. Got a traditional cell based guerrilla organization set up among the prisoners. Managed to get intel out to the allies about what was happening there. But when nothing came of it, he decided to break out after a year or two. Managed to escape with two others and met back up with the resistance to bring the intel directly to the allies.

Eventually got executed by the Soviets for continuing to fight against Polish oppressors.

[Bonatogether]

Pilecki volunteered to be captured and sent to Auschwitz. So that he could form a network of resistance and intelligence gathering inside.

Wow, that's brave. What happened to him?

He was a Polish patriot, and somewhat crazy. Left his family to do it.

He was somewhat successful. Got a traditional cell based guerrilla organization set up among the prisoners. Managed to get intel out to the allies about what was happening there. But when nothing came of it, he decided to break out after a year or two. Managed to escape with two others and met back up with the resistance to bring the intel directly to the allies.

Eventually got executed by the Soviets for continuing to fight against Polish oppressors.

Huh. That's neat.

The allied leadership weren't great about doing anything the camps - I saw the Holocaust Museum (a really great museum, but I had to keep going ahead to make sure that my younger sister didn't see any of the really graphic pictures, since she gets nightmares) that they had aerial pictures of the Auschwitz, but didn't try to bomb it when they went for the factory right down the street.

[BobMcBob]

Ghug just slipped so hard holy shit.

Wow.

Are you stuck on the us thing too?

Dude that's pretty fucking bad.

So... you plan to crucify him over a minor grammar ambiguity? It's literally an ambiguity, us could be taken to mean town or alien there. And in fact it makes *more* sense grammatically for it to refer to town. What are you on about?

[BobMcBob]

Are you stuck on the us thing too?

Dude that's pretty fucking bad.

I don't believe you believe this.

I don't believe he believes it either. But why try to railroad you over a grammatical error? Playing to his ego meta? Just wanted an excuse to push his top scumread/someone he knew was town?

[brainbomb]

Tonight on Crimean War stories we sit down with Bunny and Bona

[Bonatogether]

Tonight on Crimean War stories we sit down with Bunny and Bona

thanks for having me on the show, brain

[BobMcBob]

Okay, I could buy that Ezio was doing a reaction test, but it's an odd one.

[ghug]

Dude that's pretty fucking bad.

I don't believe you believe this.

I don't believe he believes it either. But why try to railroad you over a grammatical error? Playing to his ego meta? Just wanted an excuse to push his top scumread/someone he knew was town?

There's no grammatical error. It makes no sense as anyone but town. The aliens were "them".

[ghug]

Also I'm loving this spy talk.

Can anyone recommend any good books on the subject? TV dramatizations?

[BobMcBob]

I don't believe you believe this.

I don't believe he believes it either. But why try to railroad you over a grammatical error? Playing to his ego meta? Just wanted an excuse to push his top scumread/someone he knew was town?

There's no grammatical error. It makes no sense as anyone but town. The aliens were "them".

It was an ambiguity, not a mistake. It could have been interpreted the other way. It was less natural, but a few people did make that mistake, or pretend to.

[Bonatogether]

Also I'm loving this spy talk.

Can anyone recommend any good books on the subject? TV dramatizations?

A Spy Among Friends is about Kim Philby, who gave British (and later American) nuclear secrets to the Soviets

The Spy Who Couldn't Spell is about a dyslexic American air force guy who tried to sell state secrets to Iraq, Libya, and China in the 90s.

[ghug]

I don't believe he believes it either. But why try to railroad you over a grammatical error? Playing to his ego meta? Just wanted an excuse to push his top scumread/someone he knew was town?

There's no grammatical error. It makes no sense as anyone but town. The aliens were "them".

It was an ambiguity, not a mistake. It could have been interpreted the other way. It was less natural, but a few people did make that mistake, or pretend to.

Yeah but they're wrong, damnit.

[BunnyGo]

Also I'm loving this spy talk.

Can anyone recommend any good books on the subject? TV dramatizations?

Agent Garbo

Puzzle Palace A more modern look at history of code breaking with a focus on the NSA

Pilecki's story

(Note for Jamie: I previewed this and think I got the links right this time before posting. Apologies if something is wrong, but the preview looks right)

[BobMcBob]

There's no grammatical error. It makes no sense as anyone but town. The aliens were "them".

It was an ambiguity, not a mistake. It could have been interpreted the other way. It was less natural, but a few people did make that mistake, or pretend to.

Yeah but they're wrong, damnit.

I realise that, and I agree, but it's ambiguous. This post feels strange though.

[ghug]

It was an ambiguity, not a mistake. It could have been interpreted the other way. It was less natural, but a few people did make that mistake, or pretend to.

Yeah but they're wrong, damnit.

I realise that, and I agree, but it's ambiguous. This post feels strange though.

I'm just prideful about matters of language.

[Bonatogether]

Revised reads, part 4

Reasoning is basically my stuff from part 1 mushed together with bunny's thoughts. I can give a more exact reasoning for anyone if you ask

One "less than" symbol is saying "a bit less than", two is "a fair bit less than", and three is "something's really fucked up if they're this role."

bob - town > sk > mafia >>> alien
brain - town >>> mafia = sk >>> alien
bungo - mafia > alien >> town >>> sk
celaph - alien > mafia >>> town > sk
damo - town = mafia >> alien >>> sk
donny - town = mafia > alien >>> sk
emc - town > sk >>> mafia = alien
ezio - alien > mafia >> town >>> sk
ghug - alien = mafia > town >>> sk
hb - town >> alien >>> mafia = sk
kgray - town > sk >> mafia >>> alien
macca - alien > mafia >> town >>> sk
maniac - not sure
rdr - alien > mafia >> town >>> sk

[Bonatogether]

I'm not trying to solve here and now, but rather to eliminate possible factions (like I'm reasonably sure that bunny is most likely to be mafia, then alien right behind that, then town a fair amount less likely, and sk is basically impossible), so we can use this as a way to pare down the amount of stuff we have to think through.