MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

If I were to throw a dart and say who the third teammate is I would say it would be emc or jasnah with an outside chance of a ghug bussing.

You're not at all swayed by the fact I was roleblocked night one?

[Maniac]

If I were to throw a dart and say who the third teammate is I would say it would be emc or jasnah with an outside chance of a ghug bussing.

You're not at all swayed by the fact I was roleblocked night one?

What value does your RB have? We know Macca performed the kill, but that doesn’t stop you being mafia. HR, Celaph and you could’ve faked your roleblock to get you deep into the game and you can still be the SK of course.

I actually don’t read you as mafia but your not clear of any role either.

[Donny Dude]

K, I will now highlight end d1 and d2 and wagons.
lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

celaph (8)
kgray Donny Dude BunnyGo DemonRHK lfischl Maniac
jasnah Bonatogether(technically on lfi.)
Rest off wagon

celaph (7)
damo666 ghug brainbomb Bonatogether Macca573 BunnyGo Maniac

Ezio (7)
Hamilton Brian Donny Dude e.m.c^42 Vecna jasnah celaph Hellenic Riot

Hellenic Riot (3)
DemonRHK rdrivera2005 kgray

Colors went terribly awry. Tried to denote based off movement pattern.

I'm confused about how the colors line up with movement - is it by wagon? by time moved onto final wagon?

eod 1 versus eod 2 wagon and hoe they shifted since both involved a common scum in celaph.

[Donny Dude]

If I were to throw a dart and say who the third teammate is I would say it would be emc or jasnah with an outside chance of a ghug bussing.

You're not at all swayed by the fact I was roleblocked night one?

I forgot about that.
You are most likely town, but Celaph could have lied, though I think it is unlikely reading that post of his.

[Donny Dude]

If I were to throw a dart and say who the third teammate is I would say it would be emc or jasnah with an outside chance of a ghug bussing.

You're not at all swayed by the fact I was roleblocked night one?

What value does your RB have? We know Macca performed the kill, but that doesn’t stop you being mafia. HR, Celaph and you could’ve faked your roleblock to get you deep into the game and you can still be the SK of course.

I actually don’t read you as mafia but your not clear of any role either.

You believe celaph lied then?

[Maniac]

You're not at all swayed by the fact I was roleblocked night one?

What value does your RB have? We know Macca performed the kill, but that doesn’t stop you being mafia. HR, Celaph and you could’ve faked your roleblock to get you deep into the game and you can still be the SK of course.

I actually don’t read you as mafia but your not clear of any role either.

You believe celaph lied then?

Aliens lie. Shock.

It doesn’t matter what any of us believe anymore. This game is going to come down to a puzzle and we just need to be aware that people like Ghug, HB and Vecna could still be scum. If two of the 75% clears are scum we're actually in a lot of trouble.

[ghug]

If I were to throw a dart and say who the third teammate is I would say it would be emc or jasnah with an outside chance of a ghug bussing.

You're not at all swayed by the fact I was roleblocked night one?

What value does your RB have? We know Macca performed the kill, but that doesn’t stop you being mafia. HR, Celaph and you could’ve faked your roleblock to get you deep into the game and you can still be the SK of course.

I actually don’t read you as mafia but your not clear of any role either.

It makes my being an alien very unlikely. I find people not named brainbomb taking the possibility seriously suspicious.

[ghug]

Donny's actually hunting and almost certainly the lover though.

[Donny Dude]

What value does your RB have? We know Macca performed the kill, but that doesn’t stop you being mafia. HR, Celaph and you could’ve faked your roleblock to get you deep into the game and you can still be the SK of course.

I actually don’t read you as mafia but your not clear of any role either.

You believe celaph lied then?

Aliens lie. Shock.

It doesn’t matter what any of us believe anymore. This game is going to come down to a puzzle and we just need to be aware that people like Ghug, HB and Vecna could still be scum. If two of the 75% clears are scum we're actually in a lot of trouble.

K, I get being a bit paranoid maniac. Do you believe any of the 3 mentioned are actually scum?
What is your read of ghug?

[jasnah]

If there is NK, I will claim tomorrow.

@ damo, will you release your N4 result before EON in case you are targeted? Is there anything you need to see from town before you do?

[Maniac]

Did bozo lie? And did that simple lie set up a sequence of events that could mean we are in more trouble than we realise?

D1 Bozo claims to have discarded Mafia GF.
N1 Macca the Strongman kills Bozo.
N2 Damo survives a hit and we have no kill.
N3 no one dies
N4 Kgray dies

Because we are all assuming Town Bozo told the truth we think all Vecna clears (including me) can’t be mafia. But if Bozo lied and there is a mafia then strongmaning Bozo before he can retract his discard claim makes sense in a game where scum know there is a good chance they will be scanned.

Once they used up there strongman they miss some kills. But they have kept Vecna alive so far. Are they hoping he ‘clears’ their GF?

I can’t really explain why Bozo might have lied. We can’t ask him. Dead men don’t talk.

We just need to be wary that maybe not everything is as it seems.

[damo666]

If there is NK, I will claim tomorrow.

@ damo, will you release your N4 result before EON in case you are targeted? Is there anything you need to see from town before you do?

I already have .

[Hamilton Brian]

Did bozo lie? And did that simple lie set up a sequence of events that could mean we are in more trouble than we realise?

D1 Bozo claims to have discarded Mafia GF.
N1 Macca the Strongman kills Bozo.
N2 Damo survives a hit and we have no kill.
N3 no one dies
N4 Kgray dies

Because we are all assuming Town Bozo told the truth we think all Vecna clears (including me) can’t be mafia. But if Bozo lied and there is a mafia then strongmaning Bozo before he can retract his discard claim makes sense in a game where scum know there is a good chance they will be scanned.

Once they used up there strongman they miss some kills. But they have kept Vecna alive so far. Are they hoping he ‘clears’ their GF?

I can’t really explain why Bozo might have lied. We can’t ask him. Dead men don’t talk.

We just need to be wary that maybe not everything is as it seems.

I just don't see Bozo lying, unless it was to push a counterclaim. Perhaps it led mafia to think Bozo was more powerful than what he actually was?

[Hamilton Brian]

Wouldn't mind a clear list of who/what we already know.

Celaph: alien prober
kgray: town mason
Macca: mafia strongman
HR: alien psychotrooper
Bozo: town
ifischl: town JOAT

Some claims are pretty valid, yeah? Some still unproven?

[BunnyGo]

Wouldn't mind a clear list of who/what we already know.

Celaph: alien prober
kgray: town mason
Macca: mafia strongman
HR: alien psychotrooper
Bozo: town
ifischl: town JOAT
Brain: town mason
Demon: town mason

Some claims are pretty valid, yeah? Some still unproven?

[Hamilton Brian]

Wouldn't mind a clear list of who/what we already know.

Celaph: alien prober
kgray: town mason
Macca: mafia strongman
HR: alien psychotrooper
Bozo: town
ifischl: town JOAT
Brain: town mason
Demon: town mason

Some claims are pretty valid, yeah? Some still unproven?

Thank you. 16 of us remain; 2 confirmed town.

[BobMcBob]

So um, been another inactive day, but a weekday again tomorrow so I can hopefully step it up a bit. Depending on how tonight goes down I may claim tomorrow. We'll see. Sorry, but I'm completely out of it right now. I would slap together a reads list but there's like no chance I die tonight with the masons around, and it's late.

[Hamilton Brian]

As much as I was thinking there wasn't much to the D1 VCA (all speculative guess work other than mafia/aliens knowing their counterpart's identities) it might be good to spend some more time with it.

Aliens would work to move the votes off Celaph; Mafia content with either of those wagons.

Donny, I know it looks like I am doing a retread of your work but it helps me to type it out. Might be worth going back to.

Also, no way of verifying role blocks, right?

[BunnyGo]

As much as I was thinking there wasn't much to the D1 VCA (all speculative guess work other than mafia/aliens knowing their counterpart's identities) it might be good to spend some more time with it.

Aliens would work to move the votes off Celaph; Mafia content with either of those wagons.

Donny, I know it looks like I am doing a retread of your work but it helps me to type it out. Might be worth going back to.

Also, no way of verifying role blocks, right?

Verifying: no.

Some thoughts about whether the aliens would lie:

1) celaph was a target early. Would they rather use him to find mafia/roleblock town or hide another alien?

2) would they do it repeatedly?

[Vecna]

someone post that up to date claimthing

need to puck a target ib case i survive the night