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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6761 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:18 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:17 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:16 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
You think I'm scum with celaph? Are we maf or aliens?
scum is scum
And...?

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6762 Post by Donny Dude » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:18 pm

kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:16 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
You think I'm scum with celaph? Are we maf or aliens?
It is a possibility. I'm not sure. Probably mafia because of the way hr broke down against you.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6763 Post by rdrivera2005 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm

Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
No, scum Kgray will never defend a lost case partner as Celaph. She will just do the required level of bussing to get townread when he flip.
If Celaph is alien I will be 100% sure Kgray is town.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6764 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:21 pm

Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:18 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:16 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
You think I'm scum with celaph? Are we maf or aliens?
It is a possibility. I'm not sure. Probably mafia because of the way hr broke down against you.
Okay. Any thoughts as to why I went after Celaph hard D2 and shot down Ezio as a counterwagon? And then I didn't even vote for Ezio to save my scumbuddy at EoD2 when I could have easily said I did it to avoid a tie? Do I just really want my teammate dead?

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6765 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:21 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
No, scum Kgray will never defend a lost case partner as Celaph. She will just do the required level of bussing to get townread when he flip.
If Celaph is alien I will be 100% sure Kgray is town.
after the last two nights you arent 100% sure?

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#6766 Post by damo666 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:22 pm

kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:19 pm
damo666 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:18 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:50 pm


Then who did aliens probe N2?
Macca as he claimed or held if Macca is alien.
If Macca is an alien, why didn't they just pick somebody else and actually probe that person? Why pretend it was Macca?
How can Macca safely claim RB if they block someone else?

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6767 Post by Donny Dude » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:22 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
No, scum Kgray will never defend a lost case partner as Celaph. She will just do the required level of bussing to get townread when he flip.
If Celaph is alien I will be 100% sure Kgray is town.
K ,that shows a familiarity with scum Kgray I don't have, and I agree on your second point.

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#6768 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:22 pm

come on rivera use your head shes not scum regardless

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6769 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:22 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
No, scum Kgray will never defend a lost case partner as Celaph. She will just do the required level of bussing to get townread when he flip.
If Celaph is alien I will be 100% sure Kgray is town.
You should already think I'm 100% not an alien.

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#6770 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:23 pm

hey donny why did you guys think there was an sk

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#6771 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:23 pm

damo666 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:22 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:19 pm
damo666 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:18 pm


Macca as he claimed or held if Macca is alien.
If Macca is an alien, why didn't they just pick somebody else and actually probe that person? Why pretend it was Macca?
How can Macca safely claim RB if they block someone else?
They can't, but why would Macca need to? HR could just have claimed to have jailed whoever they did RB.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6772 Post by rdrivera2005 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:25 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:21 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:12 pm
##vote celaph
Rdr, I have to agree with your point since it began at night 2 I feel after the tie.
I also think this could be scum defending another scum.
No, scum Kgray will never defend a lost case partner as Celaph. She will just do the required level of bussing to get townread when he flip.
If Celaph is alien I will be 100% sure Kgray is town.
after the last two nights you arent 100% sure?
99%. I sometimes also have some tinfoil theories, but I usually avoid posting it on the thread before I think more about it.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6773 Post by Donny Dude » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:26 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:23 pm
hey donny why did you guys think there was an sk
It was a possibility to consider, as I don't have any information that says if there is one other than what happens at eon.
Due to there being two no death nights, I don't think there is an sk.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6774 Post by peterlund » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:26 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:18 am
peterlund wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:04 am
Sorry but I was forced delete game 64 from the bot. The bot seems to not able to handle deleted messages in the game thread very well at all. It was creating lots of empty pages. While looking for the bug and the fix which may take a day or two, game 64 has to be taken off the bot.
Hey Peter, thanks for the constant maintenance! The bot is a treasure. I think the problem is that the posts got renumbered on the forum when bo deleted the spam. I'd wager a small pizza that the bot would do fine if you just recreated the game.
Now it seems to be up and running again. (http://mafia.peterlund.se)

Yes in principle the solution was to delete all info about m64 and then reinitialize it and reread the whole game thread.

Since this procedure never have beeen attempted before since no game messages have been deleted before, it took some time and some attempts to clean and reset it enough to get it up and running again. There is a lot of data about each game stored in the RAM database (that speeds up searches and response times) that needs to be removed aswell.

If deleting messages happens again, I would like to know on what page the first deletion was made. Then rereading would be faster and simplified. But please try to avoid it since it currently needs my intervention to fix it. There is no procedure for this implemented in the bot code.
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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6775 Post by damo666 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:27 pm

kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:23 pm
damo666 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:22 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:19 pm


If Macca is an alien, why didn't they just pick somebody else and actually probe that person? Why pretend it was Macca?
How can Macca safely claim RB if they block someone else?
They can't, but why would Macca need to? HR could just have claimed to have jailed whoever they did RB.
Good point. So, Macca very unlikely to be alien.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6776 Post by Donny Dude » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:27 pm

peterlund wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:26 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:18 am
peterlund wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:04 am
Sorry but I was forced delete game 64 from the bot. The bot seems to not able to handle deleted messages in the game thread very well at all. It was creating lots of empty pages. While looking for the bug and the fix which may take a day or two, game 64 has to be taken off the bot.
Hey Peter, thanks for the constant maintenance! The bot is a treasure. I think the problem is that the posts got renumbered on the forum when bo deleted the spam. I'd wager a small pizza that the bot would do fine if you just recreated the game.
Now it seems to be up and running again. (http://mafia.peterlund.se)

Yes in principle the solution was to delete all info about m64 and then reinitialize it and reread the whole game thread.

Since this procedure never have beeen attempted before since no game messages have been deleted before, it took some time and some attempts to clean and reset it enough to get it up and running again. There is a lot of data about each game stored in the RAM database (that speeds up searches and response times) that needs to be removed aswell.

If deleting messages happens again, I would like to know on what page the first deletion was made. Then rereading would be faster and simplified. But please try to avoid it since it currently needs my intervention to fix it. There is no procedure for this implemented in the bot code.
Thanks peter!

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6777 Post by damo666 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:28 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:37 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:58 am
Okay, here is my theory for the most likely set of night actions up to this point.

N1:
Mafia NK bozo
Aliens do not kill
Prober RB's ghug
Doctors save various targets
Damo (vanilla cop) scans celaph iirc

N2:
Mafia NK damo
Aliens do not kill
Prober RB's Macca
Doctor saves damo
Other doctor saves incorrectly
Parrot parrots damo
Damo scans maniac??? I seem to remember seeing that but can't be bothered searching with no bot. Maybe that was N3 I can't remember

N3:
Mafia NK someone
Doctor saves NK target (I don't recall seeing someone claim saved)
Other doctor saves damo
Rdrivera does something, it is not a kill, it is an action that returns two results to rdr I believe
Parrot parrots rdr
Damo scans someone (I believe this is unknown)
Aliens do not kill
Prober holds RB or uses it on someone who has for some reason decided not to claim/has forgotten/has not had the opportunity

I am not sure whether or not the second doctor exists, I seem to recall someone saying it was likely but I can't remember where. It is not a necessary part of this theory. SK likely does not exist but may be holstering. At this point I'm thinking something like a 75% chance SK is not in play. Damo is town. Macca is not alien under this theory. Rdr is likely town if my memory hasn't failed me. Last night's RB was likely a somewhat inactive player if there was one. It is entirely possible that last night's roleblock was performed on the mafia killer.

Alternate N3:
Mafia NK someone
Prober RB's the mafia carrying out the kill
Doc saves are irrelevant
Everything else remains the same

This would explain why there is no docsave or RB claim yet (from memory)

If I've missed or misremembered something or you disagree with an assumption or my logic, feel free to point it out, this is meant to be a theory of the most likely events.
Why did you assume my theory of two doctors as fact and then ignore the part of it that actually necessitates there being two doctors?
@ghug can you point to the post where you expound your theory please.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6778 Post by ghug » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:36 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:54 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:50 am
By the way, what do people think about the fact that there was no NK two nights in a row? Do we just have a really good doctor team? A mafia team that makes horrible guesses? Or one side just got lucky/unlucky? The bot's down, so just in case I missed it/haven't got there yet, has damo claimed his vanilla scan on a player yet, and has anyone claimed saved?
We're yet to get either.

My guess is that we have two doctors and damo got saved again.
It's not very involved, and you're not claiming saved.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6779 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:38 pm

Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:26 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:23 pm
hey donny why did you guys think there was an sk
It was a possibility to consider, as I don't have any information that says if there is one other than what happens at eon.
Due to there being two no death nights, I don't think there is an sk.
yea any thoughts on if aliens used their kill

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6780 Post by Bonatogether » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:39 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:38 pm
Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:26 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:23 pm
hey donny why did you guys think there was an sk
It was a possibility to consider, as I don't have any information that says if there is one other than what happens at eon.
Due to there being two no death nights, I don't think there is an sk.
yea any thoughts on if aliens used their kill
They're probably saving it

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