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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6381 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am

Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:00 am
kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:47 pm
Ezio wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:39 pm
I'm gonna start off the day with ##vote celaph.
Why do you think celaph is scum?
I'm a caveman. HR saved celaph. HR was alien. Seems likely celaph is alien.
This is pretty shallow reasoning coming from the same person who fakeclaimed doc and insisted that he'd never expect the real doc to CC because it was the optimal move not to. Do you think HR is that obvious about his teammates?

And, since so much of your defense of your lie was "what's the scum motivation for what I did" I would like to know what you think the scum motivation for celaph's "last words" post was.

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#6382 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 am

hey wait a second...

##Call GM the vanilliser role doesnt change how a role flips right?
It isnt a Janitor. Would someone who had been vanillized flip as a VT? or as their original role?

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#6383 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:08 am

yea the aliens would have been usiing that vaniillizer role every night if they could its an absolute panty dropper

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6384 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:10 am

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:01 am
Alien Bloodsucker
Alien Intercessor
Alien One-shot Mass Redirector
Alien Prober
Alien Psychotrooper
Alien Sympathiser
Alien Sympathiser
Alien Vanillaiser
Bulletproof Alien Lover

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6385 Post by Ezio » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:11 am

kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:00 am
kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:47 pm


Why do you think celaph is scum?
I'm a caveman. HR saved celaph. HR was alien. Seems likely celaph is alien.
This is pretty shallow reasoning coming from the same person who fakeclaimed doc and insisted that he'd never expect the real doc to CC because it was the optimal move not to. Do you think HR is that obvious about his teammates?

And, since so much of your defense of your lie was "what's the scum motivation for what I did" I would like to know what you think the scum motivation for celaph's "last words" post was.
Idk they both seem pretty clear cut cases. Scum like to save their teammates, especially if ceph is a powerful role.
Doc shouldn't cc b/c there's no reason to. I just protected them. Seemed obvious.
Which "last words" post of his are you referring to?

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#6386 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:12 am

Gonna say its highly unlikely that this is in play either. Although this combined with intercessor does make for nasty late game screwball stuff

Alien Bloodsucker
You are the ALIEN BLOODSUCKER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. ONCE per game, at night, you may target a player. If your visit is successful, your target will be turned into a Tree Stump from the start of day onwards, losing their ability to vote, but retaining the ability to post in the thread. Your target will remain aligned to the faction they were aligned to prior to becoming a tree stump. The target's role and alignment will not be explicitly disclosed by the GM, and they may still be investigated, by investigative roles, to learn this. If they had access to a QT, they will lose the ability to post in that QT but will still be able to read what is posted there. If your target is a Lover, being turned into a Tree Stump counts as dying, for the purpose of causing any other lovers to die. The Bloodsucker may not perform their action on the same night as the Aliens use their NK. Your Alien team-mates are <NAME(S)> and you may communicate with them at NIGHT only in a QT, the link for which will be supplied when the game begins. You win when all non-Alien Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6387 Post by Donny Dude » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:13 am

kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:00 am
Donny Dude wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:47 pm
kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:32 pm


Do you think the timing of his changed read of you was significant? Like did it follow other people questioning your towniness?
Tat's the thing Kgray and going off of memory now, possibly brain, and I want to say rdr and ghug, but mostly it was bunny setting it up maybe as a daykill in the future.
I don't feel like it followed other people, but rather bunny brought it to attention.
Yeah I'm seeing this too. N1 Bunny puts you in his townreads (many people were townreading you then) and the next time he mentions a read on you it's N3 in this post, and he never explained how that post was scummy.

Then he accuses you of piling on (I believe as a response to you engaging with brain about jasnah) and even says you were piling on Macca D1, even though he'd said N1 that he thought you were questioning a lot, which sounds to me like the opposite of piling on.

Not a good look for Bunny.
I agree, not a good look. I am not sure if parratting and questioning are opposite, but yeah.
Do you think Bunny was trying to indirectly defend Jasnah?

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6388 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:13 am

Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:11 am
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:00 am


I'm a caveman. HR saved celaph. HR was alien. Seems likely celaph is alien.
This is pretty shallow reasoning coming from the same person who fakeclaimed doc and insisted that he'd never expect the real doc to CC because it was the optimal move not to. Do you think HR is that obvious about his teammates?

And, since so much of your defense of your lie was "what's the scum motivation for what I did" I would like to know what you think the scum motivation for celaph's "last words" post was.
Idk they both seem pretty clear cut cases. Scum like to save their teammates, especially if ceph is a powerful role.
Doc shouldn't cc b/c there's no reason to. I just protected them. Seemed obvious.
Which "last words" post of his are you referring to?
celaph wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:00 pm
gl all. Sheep kgray.

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#6389 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:14 am

damo wouldve been vanillized or stumped right? if those were in play?

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#6390 Post by Bonatogether » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:15 am

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:14 am
damo wouldve been vanillized or stumped right? if those were in play?
Yeah, cause those are unstoppable barring a role block

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6391 Post by kgray » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:15 am

Donny Dude wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:13 am
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:00 am
Donny Dude wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:47 pm

Tat's the thing Kgray and going off of memory now, possibly brain, and I want to say rdr and ghug, but mostly it was bunny setting it up maybe as a daykill in the future.
I don't feel like it followed other people, but rather bunny brought it to attention.
Yeah I'm seeing this too. N1 Bunny puts you in his townreads (many people were townreading you then) and the next time he mentions a read on you it's N3 in this post, and he never explained how that post was scummy.

Then he accuses you of piling on (I believe as a response to you engaging with brain about jasnah) and even says you were piling on Macca D1, even though he'd said N1 that he thought you were questioning a lot, which sounds to me like the opposite of piling on.

Not a good look for Bunny.
I agree, not a good look. I am not sure if parratting and questioning are opposite, but yeah.
Do you think Bunny was trying to indirectly defend Jasnah?
I definitely considered that, yeah. I don't scumread jasnah otherwise though so I'm hesitant to draw that conclusion. Could also be Bunny trying to subtly pocket her.

Also I think it's really towny of Donny to push back on part of my reasoning for suspecting Bunny here.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6392 Post by Ezio » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am

kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:13 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:11 am
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am


This is pretty shallow reasoning coming from the same person who fakeclaimed doc and insisted that he'd never expect the real doc to CC because it was the optimal move not to. Do you think HR is that obvious about his teammates?

And, since so much of your defense of your lie was "what's the scum motivation for what I did" I would like to know what you think the scum motivation for celaph's "last words" post was.
Idk they both seem pretty clear cut cases. Scum like to save their teammates, especially if ceph is a powerful role.
Doc shouldn't cc b/c there's no reason to. I just protected them. Seemed obvious.
Which "last words" post of his are you referring to?
celaph wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:00 pm
gl all. Sheep kgray.
Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a town.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.

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#6393 Post by brainbomb » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am

I could see the aliens just holstering a ton of powers for late game hoping to keep town guessing

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6394 Post by Ezio » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 am

Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:13 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:11 am


Idk they both seem pretty clear cut cases. Scum like to save their teammates, especially if ceph is a powerful role.
Doc shouldn't cc b/c there's no reason to. I just protected them. Seemed obvious.
Which "last words" post of his are you referring to?
celaph wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:00 pm
gl all. Sheep kgray.
Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a *scum*.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.

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#6395 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:18 am

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 am
hey wait a second...

##Call GM the vanilliser role doesnt change how a role flips right?
It isnt a Janitor. Would someone who had been vanillized flip as a VT? or as their original role?
GM NOTE
Their flip would reveal their original role.
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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6396 Post by ghug » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:21 am

Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am
kgray wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:13 am
Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a *scum*.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.
Why'd you quote yourself?

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#6397 Post by Bonatogether » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 am

ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:21 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am


Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a *scum*.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.
Why'd you quote yourself?
He switched levels 1 and 2

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6398 Post by Ezio » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 am

ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:21 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am


Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a *scum*.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.
Why'd you quote yourself?
needed to edit. In the first post I had "town" where "scum" needed to be.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6399 Post by ghug » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:24 am

Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 am
ghug wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:21 am
Ezio wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 am
Why'd you quote yourself?
needed to edit. In the first post I had "town" where "scum" needed to be.
ZOMG EZIO SCUMSLIPPED GUYS

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#6400 Post by DemonRHK » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:24 am

No death again. Off, but amazing for us.

##Vote celaph

Still think cel was a saved alien twice now, has lied about their role while minutes from death, but I'm a tad more concerned with mafia since they still get NKs, so with an extremely solid case I could be swayed

Now that scans are clear, some discussion prompts:

- If there is a Coroner, should they out now to confirm the existance of a mafia team?

- Any juicy info from overnight for anyone? Again, not wanting to out saves and louds yet, but rbs still make for interesting discussions.

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