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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6261 Post by e.m.c^42 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm

It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.

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#6262 Post by kgray » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:00 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm
It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.
Sorry, what are you referring to?

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#6263 Post by e.m.c^42 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:01 pm

kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:00 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm
It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.
Sorry, what are you referring to?
Oh, coaching accusations.

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#6264 Post by brainbomb » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm

If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far

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#6265 Post by e.m.c^42 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:04 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm
If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far
Mediocre, but not bad since apparently other people are townreading you.

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#6266 Post by ghug » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:04 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm
If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far
10/10 continue not killing

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#6267 Post by kgray » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:05 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:01 pm
kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:00 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:57 pm
It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.
Sorry, what are you referring to?
Oh, coaching accusations.
I just searched coach* in the bot and I found fewer results than I expected, so maybe it's not as prevalent of an argument as I thought. Who do you think is the person leading the coaching accusations?

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#6268 Post by BunnyGo » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:06 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:34 pm
celaph wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:32 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:29 pm

Oh boy a relatively new player who is yet to really find their feet in mafia and regularly gets confused hasn't made any deep, insightful comments indicating that they have utilised their experience with the game to the benefit of town. Um, what was your case again? Macca isn't exactly the towniest person ever, but lack of towniness doesn't mean scumminess, especially in this case.
Luckily however, they aren't a total newbie and so instead of just deflecting and dismissing arguments under some premise of newbie incompetence, we can just compare performances.

Let me cherry pick out two messages from M61. The first is a defense and justification of Maniac's play. They analyze his actions and come to a conclusion that was unpopular among the town (see the message above). They consider his incentives as both town and scum for making such a play. And they acted on both of those aspects in a fashion that is internally consistent. For another example, see how they contributed to a wagon on Seth. Not only did they read the case and like it, they drew connections with the already made case to other comments and observations to further it. They commented on how Seth's impacts their conclusions.

Compare that to some of their notable comments this game. Besides the colors, their D2 reads list is purely parroting thoughts others have had. I feel similarly about their D1 reads list save the line "I didn't like the Bunny-Ghug go-between. I do not think these two are on the same team (including TT)." Beyond that, their comments have been very surface level, a fact we seem to agree on.

They're clearly capable of deep and insightful comments as they've made them in the past as town. One does not have to have fully found their feet in order to synthesize information can come to conclusions beyond what has already been said.
Could he have been coached to make this remark? I don't see how celaph would know the details of previous games.
I doubt it. This seems like what I recall of celaph

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#6269 Post by BunnyGo » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:07 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:03 pm
If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far
Well chosen strategy. Excellent hiding. Kaiser Sose.

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#6270 Post by ghug » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:09 pm

##CALLGM The bot is broken enough to warrant contacting Peter, in case you weren't aware yet. I'm guessing it was the deleting of messages.

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#6271 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:10 pm

kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:55 pm
The bot...? Why do people keep throwing around coaching accusations?
I think he's scum being told what to say

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#6272 Post by BunnyGo » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:14 pm

Ok. Can’t stay long. And won’t be around later. So...rdrs reads are very close to my own.

To investigators: I’d recommend focusing on the deep threats. Make sure someone doesn’t slip through. Your Bobs, brains, kgrays, Vecna.

I townread most of them. But they could be problematic. This is a test match, and we’re up after the first innings. Play a safe and defensive second innings.

Other town reads: bona, rdr, Damo , Hamilton

Scum reads: jasnah, celaph, Macca, Donny, ezio

Everyone else is on the spectrum in between.

I’d be very surprised if my “other town” are not town. I’d be very surprised if more than 1 of my deep threats isn’t town. I could believe I’m wrong on half the scum reads. But if there aren’t two scum there, I’d be disappointed in my reads.

Good luck.

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#6273 Post by ghug » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:15 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:14 pm
Ok. Can’t stay long. And won’t be around later. So...rdrs reads are very close to my own.

To investigators: I’d recommend focusing on the deep threats. Make sure someone doesn’t slip through. Your Bobs, brains, kgrays, Vecna.

I townread most of them. But they could be problematic. This is a test match, and we’re up after the first innings. Play a safe and defensive second innings.

Other town reads: bona, rdr, Damo , Hamilton

Scum reads: jasnah, celaph, Macca, Donny, ezio

Everyone else is on the spectrum in between.

I’d be very surprised if my “other town” are not town. I’d be very surprised if more than 1 of my deep threats isn’t town. I could believe I’m wrong on half the scum reads. But if there aren’t two scum there, I’d be disappointed in my reads.

Good luck.
Bunny thinks town is winning. Must be scum.

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6274 Post by ghug » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:15 pm

Also why do you townread Vecna?

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#6275 Post by BunnyGo » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:23 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:15 pm
Also why do you townread Vecna?
I realize his absences makes it feel bad. It also makes it hard to push him. But I think when he’s here, he’s participating. Even with the silly WIFOM with Caesar. I get a towny vibe from his interactions with players. It’s playful, but substantial. I also haven’t noticed anything that suggests he isn’t hunting or knows too much. Could I be wrong? Yes. He is the one I most expect to be wrong about in that list. But if he can be mech cleared (except SK)? Big win!

That does remind me: we won’t know when the game is over. At some point it could be worth just no-killing to see if mafia/sk let us just keep having nights to scan. Something to consider in end game.

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#6276 Post by brainbomb » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:28 pm

I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6277 Post by dargorygel » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:31 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:09 pm
##CALLGM The bot is broken enough to warrant contacting Peter, in case you weren't aware yet. I'm guessing it was the deleting of messages.
I'm on it.
It has effected the page referencing... I am hoping it will not effect vote counts. I have contacted Master Peter.
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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6278 Post by Ezio » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:44 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:28 pm
I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight
Man. These are the types of bullshit fake claims that are great for town, but they kinda gotta come from someone other than bb for anyone to have a chance of believing them.
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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6279 Post by e.m.c^42 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:46 pm

kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:05 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:01 pm
kgray wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:00 pm


Sorry, what are you referring to?
Oh, coaching accusations.
I just searched coach* in the bot and I found fewer results than I expected, so maybe it's not as prevalent of an argument as I thought. Who do you think is the person leading the coaching accusations?
I can't recall who in specificity but it all felt similar lol

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Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#6280 Post by ghug » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:48 pm

Ezio wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:44 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:28 pm
I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight
Man. These are the types of bullshit fake claims that are great for town, but they kinda gotta come from someone other than bb for anyone to have a chance of believing them.
Feelsbadman
I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight

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