MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Tom Bombadil]

GM Note:

Give peterlund all the +1’s

If you do not, you will be modkilled.

That is a joke. (Or is it? Better +1 him to be safe)

[Bonatogether]

yay

[Chaqa]

GM Note:

Give peterlund all the +1’s

If you do not, you will be modkilled.

That is a joke. (Or is it? Better +1 him to be safe)

##CallGM: Just curious as for the rationale for no player post +1ing? It hasn't seemed to cause any issues.

Not appealing for a change, just wondering

[Tom Bombadil]

GM Note:

Give peterlund all the +1’s

If you do not, you will be modkilled.

That is a joke. (Or is it? Better +1 him to be safe)

##CallGM: Just curious as for the rationale for no player post +1ing? It hasn't seemed to cause any issues.

Not appealing for a change, just wondering

Because it has always been that way. To keep people from using +1 to signal other players. I understand that’s not as much concern now that you can see who +1’s a post - but it’s a real chore to do on mobile so I made the decision to ban it to save those people the chore of looking that up. That being said, I didn’t realize how bummed people would be about it so I’m open to getting rid of this in the future

[Chaqa]

That makes sense. It's nigh impossible to view +1s on mobile (at least on iOS in Safari), so I do get that side of it. It does occur to me players (especially ones with a private chat) could use +1s as signals, so I think in the future maybe we allow +1 but disallow +1 signaling and it should be good.

[worcej]

Once again, bozo twists his logic into continuing to justify flipping my slot...

He probably worked on the transcontinental railroad as a conductor in a past life, because he drives trains better than anyone around here!

[rdrivera2005]

Why people keep trying to get new wagons going now?

When rdr posted this the cotes were

Bon 5
ghug 4
brain 4

Would a scum rdr post this? I think not.

Good point Damo. I know I am probably a daykill at some point after last day, I see no problem with that, but at least I want to force scum to risk neck pushing my kill.
Chaqa is probably lazy town.

[worcej]

But FWIW, at least now you're starting to use my actual behavior for content.

Then worcej voted for ghug all D2, without ever pushing for ghug to be the DK.

This is not true. Here is my vote:

Also, ##vote ghug

Eden made the point, just agreeing with it via my vote.

Which was because Eden made a long-winded post regarding ghug that was my same opinion.

@ghug - let’s play a game. Let’s assume I passed up the sub and Fluminator took it.

Would you push for his flip?

I'd probably wait a day, but not much longer.

I'll reconsider if you make yourself seem townie, as I kinda did last game, brief bouts of emotion not withstanding.

Reading this leads me to invalidate any portion of your ND concern on my case - if it was a driving factor, it should not matter who filled the slot.

This was me pushing on him for his voting reasons - it was curious how his position on if to flip my slot or not would be dependent on people. If ND was scum, as he was portraying, why would he be inconsistent with applying his vote?

I don't think that ghug makes for a good kill today.

Rereading town PR ghug from last game I felt that much of his play now aligns with his play this game. He was very open that his D1 vote last game was more for someone he didn't want to play with than for someone who was particularly scummy. He
said as much.

That was D1 that, we are now on D2 and he expressed similar laziness. That's the beef I have with it.

This was me disagreeing with celaph's opinion on ghug and pointing out the flaw in his (celaph's) logic to not flip ghug.

Also of note: celaph is in the 'suspect for trying to protect ghug' group.

That was D1 that, we are now on D2 and he expressed similar laziness. That's the beef I have with it.

Do you buy Jamie's argument that I scumslipped?

No - but that rabbit hole is a definite town!Jamie move, so I town him like Eden is.

In general, you’re just here to me. This is a concern in that I expect more pot stirring and action, but really you’re just on the defense.

This was me specifically saying why I suspected ghug.

So... how did I not push for his DK exactly?

[President Eden]

With all of these strange connections between ghug, PE, brainbomb, and BunnyGo, I think they could all be scum together. Also, with the potential mutual bussing between ghug and ND/worcej, as well as the reasons I previously suspected the ND/worcej slot, I think the remaining scum are worcej, PE, brainbomb, and BunnyGo.

In what universe does a mafia team driving the discussion that dominantly still completely fail to protect its own from the day 2 kills? EOD2 is an astonishing failure of that team to protect itself. It should have been trivial to whip votes onto somebody like Bona throughout yesterday if that were the team.

Why do I ever bring up BunnyGo's posting history and spend two hours compiling data to prove it during a night phase as mafia there?

I think you may be right about brainbomb, and I haven't written off worcej yet, but the narrative of this game doesn't make sense with that team.

[rdrivera2005]

The bot going down at every EoD is getting really irritating, I have to say

After more log and code reading, code fixing and testing, I have good reasons to believe that this issue is fixed by today's commit on master.

https://github.com/plund/mafia/commits/master

In file mafia_lib.erl I changed so it it filters first and sorts after. Sorting smaller sets is faster. Also the last 60 secs before EoD, all messge info is removed. My tests show that the game_status page now responds a lot faster.

The reason for this problem was the constantly growing message database for all games that has been played so far in combination with some inefficient code that now is fixed.

I wish I can +1 more then 1 time. Thanks a lot for keeping that great tool working and improving. It's almost impossible to play only on phone without the bot.

[Chaqa]

Why people keep trying to get new wagons going now?

When rdr posted this the cotes were

Bon 5
ghug 4
brain 4

Would a scum rdr post this? I think not.

Good point Damo. I know I am probably a daykill at some point after last day, I see no problem with that, but at least I want to force scum to risk neck pushing my kill.
Chaqa is probably lazy town.

Getting called lazy town by a guy with half the posts I have. :kappa:

[President Eden]

*one of our next DKs.

Brain seems plausible too.

brain is scum

I mean, I'm lock voting him tomorrow for retracting a hard claim.

That's literally what a hard claim means. If you retract, you die.

THROW HIM OUT THE AIRLOCK

[President Eden]

If I were Cop, I would be scanning worcej right now.

[damo666]

If I were Cop, I would be scanning worcej right now.

I wouldn't

[Jamiet99uk]

damn that's poorly formatted.

Learn to use the "preview" button if you are using multiple quote blocks.

[Jamiet99uk]

Rivera looks really bad in comparing Day 1 to Day 2.

He was on Ghug with me and Jamie Day 1, but didn't bring himself to vote Ghug on Day 2. I think he should be our next DK.

*one of our next DKs.

Brain seems plausible too.

Both good D3 wagons, for sure.

[Jamiet99uk]

If I were Cop, I would be scanning worcej right now.

I wouldn't

If I were Cop I would probably not be interested in the advice of the peanut gallery.

[worcej]

If I were Cop, I would be scanning worcej right now.

I wouldn't

Not to start a dumb thread, but who would you scan instead?

[Jamiet99uk]

I see Vecna has admitted his roleblock claim was fake. I don't necessarily scumread him for that. Standard Vecna stuff.

Talk me through your thought process throughout all this stuff.

You've been focussing pretty much only on that claim ever since it happened.

First you claimed you'd only see it as town actually being RB'd, or scum

Where did I say any such thing? I don't remember "claiming" that at all. Also the idea that I have been "focussing pretty much only" on your fake roleblock claim is utter horse manure. It's only your inflated ego making you think that. I mentioned it, sure, but I spent a lot more of D2 successfully leading town to victory against the despicable Ghug.

[celaph]

I don't think that ghug makes for a good kill today.

Rereading town PR ghug from last game I felt that much of his play now aligns with his play this game. He was very open that his D1 vote last game was more for someone he didn't want to play with than for someone who was particularly scummy. He
said as much.

That was D1 that, we are now on D2 and he expressed similar laziness. That's the beef I have with it.

This was me disagreeing with celaph's opinion on ghug and pointing out the flaw in his (celaph's) logic to not flip ghug.

Also of note: celaph is in the 'suspect for trying to protect ghug' group.

So... how did I not push for his DK exactly?

@bozo, if you're going to be scumreading people for not wanting to DK ghug then I have no idea why you're targeting worcej. As he pointed out here, I'm the person that fits that description the best. If you want other people who disliked the ghug wagon you can consider aaro or Durga (now flum). If I can find 3 people who were more hesitant to DK ghug and don't fit your scum narrative then perhaps your reason for scumreading worcej is poor.

To be clear, I think aaro is the least suspicious person on this list by far. I have to cherry pick because he revised his view on ghug as scumlean and ultimately voted for him. To be fair to myself, I also started liking the idea of the ghug wagon, but I didn't push for his death nor did I vote for him. And I think worcej pushed for ghug's death more than both of us. The Durga/Flum spot on the other hand needed no cherry picking.