M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

Also don't like the "(if any of them did)".

You’d rather I state that I KNOW one of them knew and told the others? I don’t. I strongly suspect.

I'd rather you not make such a point of the fact that you don't know something for sure—something that everyone can see is likely true, to the point that you're predicating a thought on it.

Meh. Weak sauce. I do think about assumptions. Another professional hazard. And if I hadn’t stated it someone would accuse me of scum slipping that I know what scumchat said.

[TrPrado]

Do I need to start paying attention yet, yes or no?

Ugh, obv!scum is obv!scum...

Lol is that your definition of obvscum?

[kgray]

Where does bussing damo in M1011 fall in this range?

Well when I first started bussing damo that game I didn't think he'd take off as a real wagon but I also didn't want to draw attention to myself by unvoting him when he was in danger. Then when he survived the first day, I did what I could to back off of him and only voted for him again when it was obvious that he was scum.

I'm not saying I wouldn't bus summit here. But I don't think I would have been the second serious vote on him so early and then pressured him all day. But like I said, you can disagree. I'm not really trying to convince anyone with this.

Assuming you’re not a likely chopping block candidate today: what did you think of the Maniac wagon independent of its competition with summit?

Why do you only care about my opinion if I'm not on the chopping block?

I haven't reread anything, and I'll be doing that later today. I'll get back to you on this.

[damo666]

This is an excellent point. I am very disappointed in myself here.

You realise I meant unobservant right? You didn't point it out so maybe you are. Lol

Damo you had a typo? You're rattled! It's a case of rapid deterioration!

Touche

[kgray]

Yes

Yes...I’m starting to wonder if Donny is a good actor. He’d have to be solid enough as every scum member must have known Chaq was in jail (If any of them did).

Does Bunny always do this ostensibly open-ended but actually very suggestion questioning to push his scum reads?

I'm not sure.... But I don't like his wishy-washy statement about if anyone on the scumteam knew Chaqa was in jail. There's no way they didn't realize that.

[BunnyGo]

Well when I first started bussing damo that game I didn't think he'd take off as a real wagon but I also didn't want to draw attention to myself by unvoting him when he was in danger. Then when he survived the first day, I did what I could to back off of him and only voted for him again when it was obvious that he was scum.

I'm not saying I wouldn't bus summit here. But I don't think I would have been the second serious vote on him so early and then pressured him all day. But like I said, you can disagree. I'm not really trying to convince anyone with this.

Assuming you’re not a likely chopping block candidate today: what did you think of the Maniac wagon independent of its competition with summit?

Why do you only care about my opinion if I'm not on the chopping block?

I haven't reread anything, and I'll be doing that later today. I'll get back to you on this.

On the chopping block changes people’s reads. I care either way, but was framing the question.

[TrPrado]

did she start before or after the "show offline" thing became a thing?

Not that im really suspicious of her whatsoever, but ill stick to my earlier observations that her play is actually a bit closer to how she reasons and plays as scum than as town.

3p is still something to keep in mind maybe, for much much later on, if she somehow remains unresolved.

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

No it isn’t. If jailer does NOT protect from the riddler there is zero reason for Chaqa to be alive. If that’s the case then either the riddler is unable to achieve win condition OR if we have the freelancer then it is bad for town to look for 3P. Freelancer is effectively a miskill since their win condition doesn’t contradict ours.

[kgray]

Also don't like the "(if any of them did)".

Ah, yeah. Agreed 100%.

[damo666]

mightily convenient to sheep that logic for an easy vote, esp since its coming from someone you scumread.

Not sure if you're talking to me but if I'm sheeping anyone it's Bozo who I strongly townread.

Why do you strongly townread bozo?

vote timing and content/style of his posts

[BunnyGo]

Yes...I’m starting to wonder if Donny is a good actor. He’d have to be solid enough as every scum member must have known Chaq was in jail (If any of them did).

Does Bunny always do this ostensibly open-ended but actually very suggestion questioning to push his scum reads?

I'm not sure.... But I don't like his wishy-washy statement about if anyone on the scumteam knew Chaqa was in jail. There's no way they didn't realize that.

A lot of us claimed to have overlooked it. Are we lying or town slipping then?

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

seth24c (3) - MoscowFleet, TrPrado, ghug
TrPrado (3) - Chaqa, Vecna, Fluminator
BunnyGo (3) - worcej, Tom Bombadil, Durga
Donny Dude (3) - bozotheclown, BunnyGo, damo666
Fluminator (1) - Maniac
Unvote (1) - Donny Dude

Now NOBODY is set to face anything.

Just over 27 hours is the amount of time that is remaining.

[ghug]

You’d rather I state that I KNOW one of them knew and told the others? I don’t. I strongly suspect.

I'd rather you not make such a point of the fact that you don't know something for sure—something that everyone can see is likely true, to the point that you're predicating a thought on it.

Meh. Weak sauce. I do think about assumptions. Another professional hazard. And if I hadn’t stated it someone would accuse me of scum slipping that I know what scumchat said.

And that person would be stupid. You shouldn't care about the opinions of stupid people.

[kgray]

yeah ok, so blatant as fuck crumbs

lol what. I've never disagreed with anything you've said more.

I think he’s being ironic. You agree with each other.

Then how do you explain this:

Tom would have a point if your crumbs were obscure, but them being the way they are theyre far too deep into Nai territory for my liking.

[BunnyGo]

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

No it isn’t. If jailer does NOT protect from the riddler there is zero reason for Chaqa to be alive. If that’s the case then either the riddler is unable to achieve win condition OR if we have the freelancer then it is bad for town to look for 3P. Freelancer is effectively a miskill since their win condition doesn’t contradict ours.

Fact 1: Riddler can hit multiple targets a night.
Fact 2: Riddler need only know all targets exact role.
Fact 3: if riddler exists, anyone who drops their role with 100% certainty will die by Riddlers hand eventually.

[kgray]

Assuming you’re not a likely chopping block candidate today: what did you think of the Maniac wagon independent of its competition with summit?

Why do you only care about my opinion if I'm not on the chopping block?

I haven't reread anything, and I'll be doing that later today. I'll get back to you on this.

On the chopping block changes people’s reads. I care either way, but was framing the question.

Okay but you were asking about what I think of wagons that happened D1, when I was not on the chopping block, so I don't understand how you're framing the question.

Regardless, I'll get to this later today.

[ghug]

Does Bunny always do this ostensibly open-ended but actually very suggestion questioning to push his scum reads?

I'm not sure.... But I don't like his wishy-washy statement about if anyone on the scumteam knew Chaqa was in jail. There's no way they didn't realize that.

A lot of us claimed to have overlooked it. Are we lying or town slipping then?

It seems weirder to overlook it if you were in the first attempt at the game. It's also a very easily fakeable townslip, to the point that I probably would have claimed ignorance as either alignment if I had known.

[BunnyGo]

lol what. I've never disagreed with anything you've said more.

I think he’s being ironic. You agree with each other.

Then how do you explain this:

Tom would have a point if your crumbs were obscure, but them being the way they are theyre far too deep into Nai territory for my liking.

By reading the whole conversation it comes from and not snipping it out of context.

[BunnyGo]

I'd rather you not make such a point of the fact that you don't know something for sure—something that everyone can see is likely true, to the point that you're predicating a thought on it.

Meh. Weak sauce. I do think about assumptions. Another professional hazard. And if I hadn’t stated it someone would accuse me of scum slipping that I know what scumchat said.

And that person would be stupid. You shouldn't care about the opinions of stupid people.

Still weak sauce.

[ghug]

I think he’s being ironic. You agree with each other.

Then how do you explain this:

Tom would have a point if your crumbs were obscure, but them being the way they are theyre far too deep into Nai territory for my liking.

By reading the whole conversation it comes from and not snipping it out of context.

I read Vecna as sincerely saying they were obvious there.

[TrPrado]

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

No it isn’t. If jailer does NOT protect from the riddler there is zero reason for Chaqa to be alive. If that’s the case then either the riddler is unable to achieve win condition OR if we have the freelancer then it is bad for town to look for 3P. Freelancer is effectively a miskill since their win condition doesn’t contradict ours.

Fact 1: Riddler can hit multiple targets a night.
Fact 2: Riddler need only know all targets exact role.
Fact 3: if riddler exists, anyone who drops their role with 100% certainty will die by Riddlers hand eventually.

Fact 4: If the riddler guesses wrong on anybody at any point they lose their killing powers for the rest of the game