M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[kgray]

It was pretty obvious that chaqa was in jail last night

I did not pick up on that at all, which makes me wonder how the hell I missed that.

Does anyone here believe this?

Yes

[BunnyGo]

Depends on the person. If worcej or Bunny were being obvscum I'd bus them into the ground in a heartbeat

Where does bussing damo in M1011 fall in this range?

Well when I first started bussing damo that game I didn't think he'd take off as a real wagon but I also didn't want to draw attention to myself by unvoting him when he was in danger. Then when he survived the first day, I did what I could to back off of him and only voted for him again when it was obvious that he was scum.

I'm not saying I wouldn't bus summit here. But I don't think I would have been the second serious vote on him so early and then pressured him all day. But like I said, you can disagree. I'm not really trying to convince anyone with this.

Assuming you’re not a likely chopping block candidate today: what did you think of the Maniac wagon independent of its competition with summit?

[BunnyGo]

I did not pick up on that at all, which makes me wonder how the hell I missed that.

Does anyone here believe this?

Yes

Yes...I’m starting to wonder if Donny is a good actor. He’d have to be solid enough as every scum member must have known Chaq was in jail (If any of them did).

[kgray]

I mean, obviously Maniac thinks it could be Flum. I think it's more likely to be damo, since he referred to drinking using another euphemism which (to me) isn't very common. Maybe other UK people can weigh in on that.

I don't think that is what Maniac was speculating, I believe Maniac was saying he thinks Fluminator is part of the primary scum team and was trying to check if Maniac was the traitor.

Yeah, thats also more or less what I made up out of it, hence my surprise / questions that Kgray was hype about it.

I'm not really hype about it. It's just something I thought was weird at the time, so when Maniac pointed out that he'd noticed something similar I thought I'd mention it.

[kgray]

I think Donny's D1 voting looks the most suspicious.

There was a significant amount of time where Donny was a top wagon along with summit. During this time, he tried to help build wagons on Tom and Nanook but never voted for summit. Donny later voted for damo when damo was leading summit 4-3, then when summit had retaken the lead from damo, Donny switched to Maniac. Despite choosing all of these votes over summit, Donny never mentioned summit until EOD, and the reasons he gave for these votes were not particularly strong:

##vote Tom
gah

I will join.
##vote Nanook
I don't really buy the whole flash is ran town joke also.

That seems weak to me Damo, spelling errors.
##vote damo.

Maniac, you previously stated in post 806 that you thought Damo was making this too easy and that you wanted a list from him.
You then said if Damo did then your vote would shift onto Moscow.
Yet, here I see you have unvoted, do you read moscow differently from then?
##vote Maniac

##VOTE Donny

Even though ive been townreading donny all of D1, I might actually feel inclined to like this logic. There has been this gnawing feeling that all his posts feel very good on the surface, but there still is a lack of extremely stand-out townposts as he had in his first game I think it was? (where he got miskilled due to that slip iirc).

Weren't you the main person pushing his wagon after that secretary "slip"? Yet now you think he had extremely stand-out townposts that game?

[kgray]

Was thinking gerneally about potential busters of summit and I think kgray is pretty unlikely. She has shown she can definitely bus, but as someone who saw firsthand how summit struggled last time, I don’t think she would immediately throw him on the tracks this game.

I understand the angle of bussing the potential weak link, but I don’t know if kgray would be cold blooded enough to do that to someone she just played with as scum and saw struggle.

did she start before or after the "show offline" thing became a thing?

Not that im really suspicious of her whatsoever, but ill stick to my earlier observations that her play is actually a bit closer to how she reasons and plays as scum than as town.

3p is still something to keep in mind maybe, for much much later on, if she somehow remains unresolved.

Are you asking if I voted for summit before or after Flum accused him of being scum for having his status hidden?

If so, then after, but obviously not because he's invisible.

Why are you not really suspicious of me whatsoever if you think I'm playing like my scum meta? You jumped down Tom's throat for townreading me earlier. How can you not be suspicious at all?

[kgray]

Is ghug going to be the only one to care that Bunny apparently went through the trouble of fake crumbing D1 to draw the night kill, and then seemingly outed himself as VT but making public his crumbs - which in turn would make him not draw the night kill after all??

I think ghugs post about Bunny potentially trying to get ahead of someone picking up on those fake crumbs is super plausible. Though the crumbs were obscure enough that I don’t know they were ever in danger of being found.

Care to point out the obscure crumbs? If he was actually crumbing bugs bunny theres not much point in continuing to try and draw the NK with softs of a Pr that is already dead.

On the other hand, if theyre too obscure to ever be spotted by scum, then his logic of wanting to draw the NK also seems like just an excuse for having a stronger fakeclaim down the line.

They were designed with a limited target audience in mind: worcej, Flum, kgray, Durga, maybe a couple others from M59. In that game when I was cop with a guilty scan on Gold, I talked about how I'd entered Nirvana as my only defense of my read. So here I just made a lot of Nirvana/Kurt Cobain references. So much so that Tom called out that Nirvana sucked and then we went down some side trail about Seattle bands.

Wait, that's how you were crumbing? By referencing Nirvana the band, after talking in the last game about how you'd reached Nirvana and happened to be the cop? Yeah I definitely missed that. I sort of doubt anyone would have put that together.

[ghug]

Does anyone here believe this?

Yes

Yes...I’m starting to wonder if Donny is a good actor. He’d have to be solid enough as every scum member must have known Chaq was in jail (If any of them did).

Does Bunny always do this ostensibly open-ended but actually very suggestion questioning to push his scum reads?

[kgray]

He’s obviously not going to draw a night kill with those crumbs, but you only try to draw the NK as VT, so basically he is making it easier for scum to PR search by posting that - and I would think someone who supposedly tried to protect PRs would realize that.

Okay but my point is, if he was crumbing bugs and bugs just got flipped - then he can't really be a PR for scum to mis-target anyway? What PR crumbs a different PR?

Durga

Yeah good point haha

[ghug]

Also don't like the "(if any of them did)".

[ghug]

Very suggestive*


@Vecna can you please make more of an effort to not use the l-word? It's been enough games at this point that it feels like you're not trying.

[kgray]

Care to point out the obscure crumbs? If he was actually crumbing bugs bunny theres not much point in continuing to try and draw the NK with softs of a Pr that is already dead.

On the other hand, if theyre too obscure to ever be spotted by scum, then his logic of wanting to draw the NK also seems like just an excuse for having a stronger fakeclaim down the line.

They were designed with a limited target audience in mind: worcej, Flum, kgray, Durga, maybe a couple others from M59. In that game when I was cop with a guilty scan on Gold, I talked about how I'd entered Nirvana as my only defense of my read. So here I just made a lot of Nirvana/Kurt Cobain references. So much so that Tom called out that Nirvana sucked and then we went down some side trail about Seattle bands.

yeah ok, so blatant as fuck crumbs

lol what. I've never disagreed with anything you've said more.

[BunnyGo]

Care to point out the obscure crumbs? If he was actually crumbing bugs bunny theres not much point in continuing to try and draw the NK with softs of a Pr that is already dead.

On the other hand, if theyre too obscure to ever be spotted by scum, then his logic of wanting to draw the NK also seems like just an excuse for having a stronger fakeclaim down the line.

They were designed with a limited target audience in mind: worcej, Flum, kgray, Durga, maybe a couple others from M59. In that game when I was cop with a guilty scan on Gold, I talked about how I'd entered Nirvana as my only defense of my read. So here I just made a lot of Nirvana/Kurt Cobain references. So much so that Tom called out that Nirvana sucked and then we went down some side trail about Seattle bands.

Wait, that's how you were crumbing? By referencing Nirvana the band, after talking in the last game about how you'd reached Nirvana and happened to be the cop? Yeah I definitely missed that. I sort of doubt anyone would have put that together.

I s**k at crumbing because I’m not sure I get the point. I just like overly convoluted puzzles and codes. Professional hazard.

[BunnyGo]

Also don't like the "(if any of them did)".

You’d rather I state that I KNOW one of them knew and told the others? I don’t. I strongly suspect.

[BunnyGo]

They were designed with a limited target audience in mind: worcej, Flum, kgray, Durga, maybe a couple others from M59. In that game when I was cop with a guilty scan on Gold, I talked about how I'd entered Nirvana as my only defense of my read. So here I just made a lot of Nirvana/Kurt Cobain references. So much so that Tom called out that Nirvana sucked and then we went down some side trail about Seattle bands.

yeah ok, so blatant as fuck crumbs

lol what. I've never disagreed with anything you've said more.

I think he’s being ironic. You agree with each other.

[kgray]

Bypass Chaqa? You are either scum, very observant or thick. I don't think you're the last and would be surprised by the second so I conclude you are scum.

This is an excellent point. I am very disappointed in myself here.

You realise I meant unobservant right? You didn't point it out so maybe you are. Lol

Damo you had a typo? You're rattled! It's a case of rapid deterioration!

[kgray]

mightily convenient to sheep that logic for an easy vote, esp since its coming from someone you scumread.

Not sure if you're talking to me but if I'm sheeping anyone it's Bozo who I strongly townread.

Why do you strongly townread bozo?

[ghug]

Also don't like the "(if any of them did)".

You’d rather I state that I KNOW one of them knew and told the others? I don’t. I strongly suspect.

I'd rather you not make such a point of the fact that you don't know something for sure—something that everyone can see is likely true, to the point that you're predicating a thought on it.

[kgray]

I have a gun. Who should I shoot?

For clarity? Prado or Seth

For comedy? Durga

I like all of these options.

Is that because you scumread Durga? If so, why?

[TrPrado]

mightily convenient to sheep that logic for an easy vote, esp since its coming from someone you scumread.

Not sure if you're talking to me but if I'm sheeping anyone it's Bozo who I strongly townread.

I am just starting to get suspicious of him, why bozo?

Suspicious of bozo?