M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[flash2015]

I’m off for 5-7 hours. Don’t do anything dumb. That’s my job.

Awww

[rdrivera2005]

I guess we can't shoot EMC with 2 and a half hours notice.. But damn I'm hating that slot now.

Can we not shoot Bozo today though?

I agree. The hthe^42 slot is looking bad.

Is still rather shoot Goldie.

Seth isn’t bad either for a shot.

Leave bozo alone. He’s doing real make scum stop him. Don’t stop him for scum.

On what alternate reality will scum kill Bozo? Only if you or Durga flip town and I also don't believe scum will target any of you. So, you are suggesting we flip you or Durga?

[summit_fever]

I guess we can't shoot EMC with 2 and a half hours notice.. But damn I'm hating that slot now.

Can we not shoot Bozo today though?

I agree. The hthe^42 slot is looking bad.

Is still rather shoot Goldie.

Seth isn’t bad either for a shot.

Leave bozo alone. He’s doing real make scum stop him. Don’t stop him for scum.

I think hthefourth played obvtown, he was too brazen and independent to be scum in his first game, and I have a strong conviction goldie is town. Those are pretty terrible shots.

Why would town!fourth allow Tom to deceive town? I was willing to believe there was no reason for either to remember the other but I failed to read the public press.

[kgray]

I guess we can't shoot EMC with 2 and a half hours notice.. But damn I'm hating that slot now.

Can we not shoot Bozo today though?

I agree. The hthe^42 slot is looking bad.

Is still rather shoot Goldie.

Seth isn’t bad either for a shot.

Leave bozo alone. He’s doing real make scum stop him. Don’t stop him for scum.

I think hthefourth played obvtown, he was too brazen and independent to be scum in his first game, and I have a strong conviction goldie is town. Those are pretty terrible shots.

Why do you think hthefourth was obvtown?

[TrPrado]

I agree. The hthe^42 slot is looking bad.

Is still rather shoot Goldie.

Seth isn’t bad either for a shot.

Leave bozo alone. He’s doing real make scum stop him. Don’t stop him for scum.

I think hthefourth played obvtown, he was too brazen and independent to be scum in his first game, and I have a strong conviction goldie is town. Those are pretty terrible shots.

Why do you think hthefourth was obvtown?

"he was too brazen and independent to be scum in his first game"

reading new players is my specialty

[kgray]

I don't think we should shoot bozo either.

If we're going to do one of Bunny/bozo/Durga then I think it should be Bunny.

I would support an hthefourth/emc shot, and I think seth is an okay shot too. Food I think is unlikely to be scum at this point and I don't think he should be shot.

I don't agree, if we want to set this thing we should flip Bozo. Or we just forget and do a regular day.

Proving/disproving the theory would be nice but shooting scum would be better. Bunny is much scummier than bozo.

[TrPrado]

I agree. The hthe^42 slot is looking bad.

Is still rather shoot Goldie.

Seth isn’t bad either for a shot.

Leave bozo alone. He’s doing real make scum stop him. Don’t stop him for scum.

I think hthefourth played obvtown, he was too brazen and independent to be scum in his first game, and I have a strong conviction goldie is town. Those are pretty terrible shots.

Why would town!fourth allow Tom to deceive town? I was willing to believe there was no reason for either to remember the other but I failed to read the public press.

You're actually buying into the "they knew each other" rhetoric?

[kgray]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

[Durga]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

Not to mention Goldie also forgot htf? Where does that leave this theory, Bozo?

[bozotheclown]

Yeah this is a weird comment from bozo. I'm not really seeing a reason to scumread Bunny and Durga more because of Tom's flip.

Also imo Tom and Moscow were by far the scummiest out of the four. If Durga and Bunny had flipped scum first, I'd be a lot more interested in Moscow and Tom. But the order that it happened here, I don't get the Moscow/Tom are scum -> Durga/Bunny are scum logic.

Durga defended Tom D1, and Tom flipping scum made it less likely flash was scum, and therefore more likely BunnyGo's vote for flash was to protect MF.

When I moved off food (tied for lead) and onto flash (a new wagon)?

If foodcoats is scum, you will look better.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo and HR:

Is Durga defending Tom just this? Or am I missing something else?

I feel like everytime Tom is town he just gets bullied d1

And since he's getting bullied d1 he must be town

That sounds right.

[bozotheclown]

Is nobody else suspicious of Seth?

My top suspects are emc, seth, and foodcoats.

[bozotheclown]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

I am not as convinced that Tom wouldn't react that way knowing hthefourth was his partner.

[bozotheclown]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

Not to mention Goldie also forgot htf? Where does that leave this theory, Bozo?

goldfinger did not say he forgot hthefourth, he said he did not remember hthefourth was in that game.

[kgray]

@bozo and HR:

Is Durga defending Tom just this? Or am I missing something else?

I feel like everytime Tom is town he just gets bullied d1

And since he's getting bullied d1 he must be town

That sounds right.

This is not a strong defense. It's not even a townread.

[kgray]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

I am not as convinced that Tom wouldn't react that way knowing hthefourth was his partner.

I do not believe Tom put would two teammates in his townreads list when he could't even name a fourth.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo and HR:

Is Durga defending Tom just this? Or am I missing something else?

That sounds right.

This is not a strong defense. It's not even a townread.

It sounds like the kind of defense a scum might risk. However, I am not saying Durga is one of my top scum suspects.

[bozotheclown]

The inactivity of seth and foodcoats is adding to my suspicion of them.

[summit_fever]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

I'm more wrapped up in how fourth handled the situation. Take a look at worcej and seth for a previous diplomacy interaction that seems fairly townie.

I can't gather how well Tom knew fourth, but I know fourth knew Tom well enough to throw a welcome back to him in a recent diplomacy game.

Now if you're town!fourth in your first mafia game on webdip and Tom is hinting that he has no clue who you are, what do you do? Do you stay silent about that through day 1? How about when Tom flips at the start of day 2?

Bozo did not question fourth about Tom until a few hours had passed on day 2 (44 hours left on day). Fourth had posted at almost 47 hours left on day 2.

[summit_fever]

The inactivity of seth and foodcoats is adding to my suspicion of them.

seth also had a period of lurking in M58. I don't like it, but I'm not sure it's alignment indicative.