M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[Hamilton Brian]

Vecna, certainly you can come to some theory.

Take yesterday's vote. Subtract my floating back and forth. What stands out to you.

Now take it with my floating included. What stands out to you?

[Hellenic Riot]

Actually, take that back.

## Unvote

As long as you're leading, you don't need me jumping on.

##Vote Jamie

I very much enjoy how you're trying to get me to keep focusing on Jamie, but I'm going to take a hard pass on that.

Your excuses for flipping your vote around are somehow even worse than the way you were doing it in the first place.

I agree with this, I think HB's posts are scummier than his votes. Can you please address why you think his flipping was scummy in the first place? I'm still not really seeing it.

Sure thing. Quick Hamilton Vote Analysis:

40 Mins til EoD:
Hamilton votes Damo, with the post "Let's make this interesting."

This makes it 4 Jamie, 3 Damo, with zero votes on HB
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Time passes with him doing nothing more of note except asking where Bo in particular is going to put his vote
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6 Mins til EoD:

HB votes Jamie with no reasoning whatsoever, in the post answering my question about why he was asking Bo in particular who he'd vote.

This makes it 5 Jamie, 3 Damo, with 1 vote (Summit) on HB
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4 mins til EoD:

HB revotes Damo, once again without explanation.

This makes it 5 Damo, 3 HB, 1 Jamie, as the Jamie wagon had just collapsed.

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@kgray

Earlier you said that that Hamilton's vote changes were just due to self-preservation. As you can clearly see, that was only the case with the final one, and in fact he switched between Damo and Jamie without ever giving reasoning for wanting either of them well before his wagon took off at the end. That is bad. The way he's scrabbled to try and find an excuse today has not made it any better, but it was bad in the first place too.

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh, and for additional fun.


The only times HB had mentioned Damo all game before the "Let's make this interesting" vote was to give a *townread* on him, and then to reinforce on kgray asking Vecna if he still scumread Damo.

He also never previously mentioned a scumread on Jamie, and merely asked if Jamie was going to bring a persona out. So he had *no* prior scumread on either of them before the random votes toward EoD.

[bo_sox48]

It's a vanilla game and you've yet to establish yourself as a good player, so I don't have a clue. That's why I'm asking you why you think they're focusing on your moves and your decisions.

Because I am NOT a good town player; I'm nascent, and any of my miscues, mishaps, accidents can then be focused on to take heat off of the real scum?

This is so strange. All you had to do was say "you're right, bo, I was getting a little caught up. There really is no reason why the scumteam would focus on my actions over everyone else's."

[kgray]

I very much enjoy how you're trying to get me to keep focusing on Jamie, but I'm going to take a hard pass on that.

Your excuses for flipping your vote around are somehow even worse than the way you were doing it in the first place.

I agree with this, I think HB's posts are scummier than his votes. Can you please address why you think his flipping was scummy in the first place? I'm still not really seeing it.

Sure thing. Quick Hamilton Vote Analysis:

40 Mins til EoD:
Hamilton votes Damo, with the post "Let's make this interesting."

This makes it 4 Jamie, 3 Damo, with zero votes on HB
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Time passes with him doing nothing more of note except asking where Bo in particular is going to put his vote
--

6 Mins til EoD:

HB votes Jamie with no reasoning whatsoever, in the post answering my question about why he was asking Bo in particular who he'd vote.

This makes it 5 Jamie, 3 Damo, with 1 vote (Summit) on HB
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4 mins til EoD:

HB revotes Damo, once again without explanation.

This makes it 5 Damo, 3 HB, 1 Jamie, as the Jamie wagon had just collapsed.

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@kgray

Earlier you said that that Hamilton's vote changes were just due to self-preservation. As you can clearly see, that was only the case with the final one, and in fact he switched between Damo and Jamie without ever giving reasoning for wanting either of them well before his wagon took off at the end. That is bad. The way he's scrabbled to try and find an excuse today has not made it any better, but it was bad in the first place too.

Thanks HR. You're right, he doesn't give much explanation with his votes, and didn't seem to be scumreading either prior to EOD. If Jamie is town then I could certainly see a world where scum!Hamilton didn't care which of the two died. But really, I don't see that as being that much more likely than town!Hamilton just being confused.

As a note, I only ever thought his last vote was for self-preservation, not all of them. The first switch to Jamie I thought could be seen as preventing a tie. I don't think ties are generally good for town, and they can be really helpful for scum (potentially saving a teammate, depriving town of info, etc). So when Hamilton made the vote 5 on Jamie, 3 on damo (breaking the tie) it didn't raise any alarms for me. What does concern me about it is the explanation he gave about wanting to force scum to try to break a tie, which doesn't make any sense to me at all, especially since he's the one who broke the tie...

[Hamilton Brian]

It's a vanilla game and you've yet to establish yourself as a good player, so I don't have a clue. That's why I'm asking you why you think they're focusing on your moves and your decisions.

Because I am NOT a good town player; I'm nascent, and any of my miscues, mishaps, accidents can then be focused on to take heat off of the real scum?

This is so strange. All you had to do was say "you're right, bo, I was getting a little caught up. There really is no reason why the scumteam would focus on my actions over everyone else's."

Are you insinuating anything here? What's strange? You're actually actively misinterpreting what I've said.

[Hamilton Brian]

Oh, and for additional fun.


The only times HB had mentioned Damo all game before the "Let's make this interesting" vote was to give a *townread* on him, and then to reinforce on kgray asking Vecna if he still scumread Damo.

He also never previously mentioned a scumread on Jamie, and merely asked if Jamie was going to bring a persona out. So he had *no* prior scumread on either of them before the random votes toward EoD.

I found where I did. No, it wasn't an outright "They're scum and here's why." But you're being dishonest to suggest I never previously suggested it.

You trying to tunnel me SO hard...to what end? To what end.

[Hamilton Brian]

What do you think about all of this Macca?

[bo_sox48]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

[Hamilton Brian]

Add Macca to the scumreads. Slippin’ away, dodgin’ the questions.

Damn it, we’re supposed to be making it easy to read one another as town. Not this dog-pile we’re walking through.

[Hamilton Brian]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

Wondering that.

[rdrivera2005]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

Wondering that.

Really? What else are you wondering?

[TheMadMonarch]

Add Macca to the scumreads. Slippin’ away, dodgin’ the questions.

Damn it, we’re supposed to be making it easy to read one another as town. Not this dog-pile we’re walking through.

I leave my computer open to this webpage, so it saying I'm online is no guarantee that I am.

[Hamilton Brian]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

Wondering that.

Really? What else are you wondering?

Wondering where you’ve been; wondering if you have a conclusion or a hypothesis. Something to counter the current wagons.

[rdrivera2005]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

I had a busy day at work and a great night playing tennis now that the club is finally open (it was closed since April cause the pandemic).

But I read all the 3 pages of hard activities you produced. Weird that Jamiet didn't notice Vecna's obvious soft claim even without looking the YouTube link, but why scum Jamiet would fake this? Can't see him trying to gain town cred with a think like this.

I don't like HB today. This "I am lost, what should we do" scene is hard to believe after him playing pretty well last full game. Could HR push on him be a theater/buss? If this is true there is a deep covered scum and I wrong about Macca. Stiil less likely I think, but something to consider.

[TheMadMonarch]

What do you think about all of this Macca?

Very confused.

Although that stems from reading Hellenic Riot (HR) and Hamilton Brian (HB) so much, and now my brain is struggling to differentiate the two.

[TheMadMonarch]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

I had a busy day at work and a great night playing tennis now that the club is finally open (it was closed since April cause the pandemic).

But I read all the 3 pages of hard activities you produced. Weird that Jamiet didn't notice Vecna's obvious soft claim even without looking the YouTube link, but why scum Jamiet would fake this? Can't see him trying to gain town cred with a think like this.

I don't like HB today. This "I am lost, what should we do" scene is hard to believe after him playing pretty well last full game. Could HR push on him be a theater/buss? If this is true there is a deep covered scum and I wrong about Macca. Stiil less likely I think, but something to consider.

Is you being wrong about me meaning I'm scum or town?

[rdrivera2005]

Wondering that.

Really? What else are you wondering?

Wondering where you’ve been; wondering if you have a conclusion or a hypothesis. Something to counter the current wagons.

I just gave my thoughts on my last post. I am happy with the current wagons so I don't see a reason to counter them.

[rdrivera2005]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

I had a busy day at work and a great night playing tennis now that the club is finally open (it was closed since April cause the pandemic).

But I read all the 3 pages of hard activities you produced. Weird that Jamiet didn't notice Vecna's obvious soft claim even without looking the YouTube link, but why scum Jamiet would fake this? Can't see him trying to gain town cred with a think like this.

I don't like HB today. This "I am lost, what should we do" scene is hard to believe after him playing pretty well last full game. Could HR push on him be a theater/buss? If this is true there is a deep covered scum and I wrong about Macca. Stiil less likely I think, but something to consider.

Is you being wrong about me meaning I'm scum or town?

Town. I made an hypothesis earlier that you are scum with HR because of the way you disappeared and because of the way HR reacted to Summit push on you. But I can't see a scumteam with you, HR and HB, so if HB is scum with HR you are probably town.
A bit convoluted when I wrote it, but it makes sense on my mind.

Now, goodnight.

[TheMadMonarch]

I had a busy day at work and a great night playing tennis now that the club is finally open (it was closed since April cause the pandemic).

But I read all the 3 pages of hard activities you produced. Weird that Jamiet didn't notice Vecna's obvious soft claim even without looking the YouTube link, but why scum Jamiet would fake this? Can't see him trying to gain town cred with a think like this.

I don't like HB today. This "I am lost, what should we do" scene is hard to believe after him playing pretty well last full game. Could HR push on him be a theater/buss? If this is true there is a deep covered scum and I wrong about Macca. Stiil less likely I think, but something to consider.

Is you being wrong about me meaning I'm scum or town?

Town. I made an hypothesis earlier that you are scum with HR because of the way you disappeared and because of the way HR reacted to Summit push on you. But I can't see a scumteam with you, HR and HB, so if HB is scum with HR you are probably town.
A bit convoluted when I wrote it, but it makes sense on my mind.

Now, goodnight.

Night!