Mafia 57 Matrix

[Hellenic Riot]

The D3 point is interesting, but would kinda make me suspect HB more.

Why?

Because you and gold are the only identity-unknown players who voted emc day 3, and gold is right that it's unlikely nobody was busing.

What if emc is an important scum role though? There are certain scum roles they might look to protect more than others.

[ghug]

Why?

Because you and gold are the only identity-unknown players who voted emc day 3, and gold is right that it's unlikely nobody was busing.

What if emc is an important scum role though? There are certain scum roles they might look to protect more than others.

I suppose some people do play like that.

[Foxcastle]

As for Foxc. I'm under the impression that he has two main methods of playing scum - one of which is to lurk to kingdom come and spew spreadsheets, the other to be oddly confident and to push 'scumreads' as a middling town leader. He may or may not be more prone to algorithm based actions (policy, VCA, mechs, all the spreadsheet-able stuff etc...) as well, but there's not enough recent games to say.

At first, I townread him on the basis of his play being neither confident or overly lurky, as well as him passing on the opportunity to generate empty activity from spreadsheet discussion, which I'm pretty certain he would've taken as scum.

However, his slowly increasing absence from the game kind of takes it away.

I try not to devolve to Jamiet's level is disparaging you, EMC, but you sometimes make that really hard.

Er, do you disagree with my (admittedly shrunken to tiny) townread on you?

No. I think it's fair to say I've been lurking the past few days. But your recollection of what I do or do not do as town or scum (with regard to spreadsheets or "algorithm based actions") is nonsense. VCA is perfectly valid, and notably if we'd listened to me the last game where I was relying on it heavily, we would have caught scum and possibly won.

[ghug]

I try not to devolve to Jamiet's level is disparaging you, EMC, but you sometimes make that really hard.

Er, do you disagree with my (admittedly shrunken to tiny) townread on you?

No. I think it's fair to say I've been lurking the past few days. But your recollection of what I do or do not do as town or scum (with regard to spreadsheets or "algorithm based actions") is nonsense. VCA is perfectly valid, and notably if we'd listened to me the last game where I was relying on it heavily, we would have caught scum and possibly won.

What does VCA tell you now?

[Jamiet99uk]

What if emc is an important scum role though? There are certain scum roles they might look to protect more than others.

Yes, that would explain your behaviour. Good observation.

[ghug]

Hi Yoyo.

[ghug]

If emc and HR were scum together, I'd expect HR to be angling for a miskill if possible, right? It seems very likely HR will go down once emc does.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi Yoyo.

[Foxcastle]

Dunno, people read me as scummy no matter my alignment. It has been a constant trend in previous games. I keep thinking that eventually people will accept it as a baseline meta, but nope.

Not quite true, iirc some games after that game we were scum together people townread you correctly. What's so foolish with what I wrote on you? I'll never learn if you don't provide details.

I recall differently. In particular, I recall the game where Damo and Worcej were scum, but looked perfectly townie, and I looked scummy because I had stuck my neck out trying to make things happen and got mis-flipped for it. You may be thinking of the game where I was watcher, though, they had to NK me there.

[Hellenic Riot]

If emc and HR were scum together, I'd expect HR to be angling for a miskill if possible, right? It seems very likely HR will go down once emc does.

If emc and I were scum together, would you expect me to openly say I was voting to save him on two separate days?

[Foxcastle]

Er, do you disagree with my (admittedly shrunken to tiny) townread on you?

No. I think it's fair to say I've been lurking the past few days. But your recollection of what I do or do not do as town or scum (with regard to spreadsheets or "algorithm based actions") is nonsense. VCA is perfectly valid, and notably if we'd listened to me the last game where I was relying on it heavily, we would have caught scum and possibly won.

What does VCA tell you now?

Usually Jamiet does these nice color coded charts that are very helpful, but he hasn't lately, so give me a minute.

[Foxcastle]

Am I misreading that today is MiLo?

I ask this because it seems to me like ghug is playing for today with little regard for the future, maybe because he knows we're on track to end the game in just a bit.

[Hellenic Riot]

No. I think it's fair to say I've been lurking the past few days. But your recollection of what I do or do not do as town or scum (with regard to spreadsheets or "algorithm based actions") is nonsense. VCA is perfectly valid, and notably if we'd listened to me the last game where I was relying on it heavily, we would have caught scum and possibly won.

What does VCA tell you now?

Usually Jamiet does these nice color coded charts that are very helpful, but he hasn't lately, so give me a minute.

Goldfinger did one of those, and both ghug and I have analysed the EoD's. Why are you reliant on Jamie to do it for you?

[Jamiet99uk]

No. I think it's fair to say I've been lurking the past few days. But your recollection of what I do or do not do as town or scum (with regard to spreadsheets or "algorithm based actions") is nonsense. VCA is perfectly valid, and notably if we'd listened to me the last game where I was relying on it heavily, we would have caught scum and possibly won.

What does VCA tell you now?

Usually Jamiet does these nice color coded charts that are very helpful, but he hasn't lately, so give me a minute.

I did one last night and only Nanook has flipped since then so you can work things out pretty easily.

It's on Page 170.

[Jamiet99uk]

Foxcastle is really making crap excuses for not trying harder, there. Shake my h.

[Yoyoyozo]

Hi! I’m at work rn so I can’t be long. Someone direct me to the posts on the cases against Fox and emc. I’m aware from the first 20 pages that emc ruins games?? what happened? I skipped to the last 50 pages because that’ll be easier to digest. Trying to catch up as quickly as possible.

In terms of actual substantial thought, I am not really sure who to vote for, but I like meta so I’ll share that I think the chances of the getting scum in the people who were replaced are probably lower than the looking at players who are calling the shots this game. For that reason, I’m looking particularly hard at ghug jamiet and Goldie.

[Hellenic Riot]

Hi! I’m at work rn so I can’t be long. Someone direct me to the posts on the cases against Fox and emc. I’m aware from the first 20 pages that emc ruins games?? what happened? I skipped to the last 50 pages because that’ll be easier to digest. Trying to catch up as quickly as possible.

In terms of actual substantial thought, I am not really sure who to vote for, but I like meta so I’ll share that I think the chances of the getting scum in the people who were replaced are probably lower than the looking at players who are calling the shots this game. For that reason, I’m looking particularly hard at ghug jamiet and Goldie.

Page 142 has my analysis that all the EoD4 wagons were town and therefore emc is probably scum

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle is really making crap excuses for not trying harder, there. Shake my h.

I think it's unsportsmanlike to either fake excuses (like being overworked or sick) or to question other people's excuses. Obviously it happens, because it's just too tempting for scum to justify lurking and because town want to explain themselves in good faith, but yeah, somehow WebDip mafia is farther down my list of things to pay attention, comparatively. So fuck off.

[Jamiet99uk]

Foxcastle is really making crap excuses for not trying harder, there. Shake my h.

I think it's unsportsmanlike to either fake excuses (like being overworked or sick) or to question other people's excuses. Obviously it happens, because it's just too tempting for scum to justify lurking and because town want to explain themselves in good faith, but yeah, somehow WebDip mafia is farther down my list of things to pay attention, comparatively. So fuck off.

You were literally saying I hadn't done a thing that I had done. Stalling for time to not answer Ghug's question and throwing a little shade on me.

So fuck off.

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle is really making crap excuses for not trying harder, there. Shake my h.

I think it's unsportsmanlike to either fake excuses (like being overworked or sick) or to question other people's excuses. Obviously it happens, because it's just too tempting for scum to justify lurking and because town want to explain themselves in good faith, but yeah, somehow WebDip mafia is farther down my list of things to pay attention, comparatively. So fuck off.

You were literally saying I hadn't done a thing that I had done. Stalling for time to not answer Ghug's question and throwing a little shade on me.

So fuck off.

I apologize, I did not mean to imply that you hadn't done it. I simply had missed it.

I want to make a "fuck off" joke with a little bit of humor here (like "Sorry for the confusion, now fuck off") but I don't think the tone will come through, so, sorry for the confusion.