Mafia 57 Matrix

[Tom Bombadil]

Sorry ##vote Foxcastle

[peterlund]

##vote no-kill

Just to test that that late code change works. I am not staying at no-kill...

[Tom Bombadil]

Looking at D3 I don’t think that emc was necessarily saved by scum.

On the surface it looks plausible, but the main movers off of emc onto other wagons were in order 1) damo 2)rdrivera 3) emc off himself

[Hamilton Brian]

@Tom, what's your rationale for Fox when on page 169 you declared Bis as scum for not contributing "anything original" by listing most recently visible players in their reads?

The only rationale I find occurs on page 120 when you declare Fox is suspicious because they followed you on a wagon and your thinking made sense to them. However, you make the point of suggesting that your thinking didn't make sense.

Then page 143, you share that you think Bis is scum. But no mention of Fox again.

Why, and with so little pointed evidence, why the vote on Fox and not Bis?

[Tom Bombadil]

Also I’m looking at the Nanook wagon that started the day D3. I think that would be a logical wagon for scum to start as new players - especially those who come across a bit arrogant.

Early Nanook voters were Jamie, HR, bo, Hamilton.

I townread for his recent outbursts, but he could be faking those. It is unusual for him to park a vote and never move it the entire day though.

HR was the main pusher of this wagon.

Bo’s case on Nanook is absolute garbage. Seriously to read it. It is on page 89.

Hamilton’s vote on p. 90 is more interesting in relation to Foxcastle. He shades Foxcastle without offering any real opinion and then quickly moves into choosing between HR and Nanook - using Fox’s reasoning. If Fox is scum I would be more suspicious of HB

[Tom Bombadil]

@Tom, what's your rationale for Fox when on page 169 you declared Bis as scum for not contributing "anything original" by listing most recently visible players in their reads?

The only rationale I find occurs on page 120 when you declare Fox is suspicious because they followed you on a wagon and your thinking made sense to them. However, you make the point of suggesting that your thinking didn't make sense.

Then page 143, you share that you think Bis is scum. But no mention of Fox again.

Why, and with so little pointed evidence, why the vote on Fox and not Bis?

I don’t townread Fox and I expect more of him.

I posted about Bis to get a reaction more than anything - but his reaction of responding about how I suck didn’t help me much. I’ve never played with Bismarck so I don’t think it’s a super strong read. I do find it suspicious that he seems to parrot popular reads, but he could be doing that as town.

[Tom Bombadil]

Also, I townread ghug and think he is a good player, so I’m content to sheep him until I do the digging myself

[Hamilton Brian]

Looking at D3 I don’t think that emc was necessarily saved by scum.

On the surface it looks plausible, but the main movers off of emc onto other wagons were in order 1) damo 2)rdrivera 3) emc off himself

If we look at when EMC was still in a critical point, it's with 7 minutes remaining. Votes tied at 4 include EMC, Bis, and TFB. You shift off Bis (who you claim is scum) to TFB. You didn't drop the vote on EMC, but you made it "safer" for them.

Does something stink here?

[Hamilton Brian]

I posted about Bis to get a reaction more than anything - but his reaction of responding about how I suck didn’t help me much. I’ve never played with Bismarck so I don’t think it’s a super strong read. I do find it suspicious that he seems to parrot popular reads, but he could be doing that as town.

Ok, I get what you're saying. I'll go back to read Fox's posts. If the Fox wagon doesn't build, who would be your next preferred wagon?

[Tom Bombadil]

Looking at D3 I don’t think that emc was necessarily saved by scum.

On the surface it looks plausible, but the main movers off of emc onto other wagons were in order 1) damo 2)rdrivera 3) emc off himself

If we look at when EMC was still in a critical point, it's with 7 minutes remaining. Votes tied at 4 include EMC, Bis, and TFB. You shift off Bis (who you claim is scum) to TFB. You didn't drop the vote on EMC, but you made it "safer" for them.

Does something stink here?

Well, that depends. If emc turns out to be scum I just played horrible.

But I strongly townread emc and voted a null read TFB to save him. Bismarck was my ideal target but his wagon had been there most of the day and not gotten a ton of traction. My townread of emc was stronger than my scumread of Bismarck so voted to save emc

[goldfinger0303]

As for Jamiet - the D1 emc wagon was tied for second. Again, by itself the fact doesn't have a lot of value. Is Jamiet shifting votes to always be on the second wagon? That could be scum indicative. Has he pushed hard on that #2 wagon and been ignored by a bunch of people? That could be he's townie onto something and scum are pushing a counter-wagon.

You know the answers to these questions. Why are you asking them in this manner?

I was the first person on the EMC wagon D1 and the first person on the Nanook wagon D3. I was the third person on the HR wagon on D4, but I moved there with 22 hours left in the day. Therefore very clearly I was not "shifting votes around" to keep myself on the second wagon in the way that you imply.

Why are you throwing vague shade on me, based on a suggested voting behaviour that does not actually resemble the way I voted?

Jamie, I was turning that into a teaching exercise for HB, since HB self-admittedly doesn't know what to look for. I have my own thoughts on which it is.

[Hamilton Brian]

Jamie, I was turning that into a teaching exercise for HB, since HB self-admittedly doesn't know what to look for. I have my own thoughts on which it is.

Thanks for that. Given that your vote sits on Fox, I assume you're considering Option two of your scenario.

[Fluminator]

Thanks Peterlund

Nanook is dead. He was Trinity, a Protector Mason and who's brains were splattered against the kitchen fridge

[ghug]

This is a dud of a day.

[ghug]

I very slightly townread Peter for thinking Nanook was still alive.

[Hamilton Brian]

This is a dud of a day.

Fatigue? I feel like it’s hard to get reads and push anything.

[Foxcastle]

Sorry for being EMC the past couple days. Teleworking means that I just don't spend time online in the evenings after work.

[Tom Bombadil]

It’s definitely fatigue. Without flipping scum it’s hard to reread so much when the only change is town flips which sometimes don’t really add much to what I already thought.

Even the ship info Nanook gave us didn’t really change any of my thoughts about each EOD.

[Hellenic Riot]

Well, there's not really a whole lot of new stuff to analyse after yesterday because it was a pointless day... For everyone who was there.

For the people who were not around (which is not just the replacements), I'd have hoped to hear a lot more about their thoughts on EoD4, rdrivera, Bunny, the shipmates and co.

[ghug]

Well, there's not really a whole lot of new stuff to analyse after yesterday because it was a pointless day... For everyone who was there.

For the people who were not around (which is not just the replacements), I'd have hoped to hear a lot more about their thoughts on EoD4, rdrivera, Bunny, the shipmates and co.

Yeah, I'm ready to pull the fatigue card myself, but there are a lot of people who have barley contributed since Nanook's claim, which seems like enough in the way of new information to be worth something.

We're also at KILO, so if you haven't articulated recently where you stand on the game as a whole, you should be doing thing.