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I would support post limts at night. 10 or less substantial night posts. if you would say changin the community standard to match the level of quality other sites have. we arent producing great players by having night rambling turned on

I'd say that night talking is an advantage for the town, but given how most webDip mafia games go I'm not sure town can afford to lose that benefit

My shitty casual 2 cents, I play Mafia because it’s a “social” game, so turning off the thread at night is just turning off the fun/entire point of playing.

Yeah I love talking so my opinion on this would be obvious.

I like talking, I like useless conversation, so I think I probably prefer night chat on. However, I am about to play a game with no night chat so I'll see what I think of that.

It seems to me that brain's point has merit in this way... there IS a lot of writing in this game. Sometimes an overwhelming amount.

I just don't see, myself, that ending night-posting is the best way to solve this 'problem.' If it is a real difficulty that our game thread is so full... write less. Right? But no one wants that. It defeats the purpose of the game.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:45 pm

I dont particularly like council members personal preferences deciding what the entire community has to endure. Where did you address any of my talking points? other than just rambling how you want everyone to be one type of player who posts at night

I am not going to allow this to descend into a personal argument with you, Brain. I've stated my view, so has Darg, and so have several others.

I can think of at least three dozen former players who all said they left webdip mafia because people talk too much and the game never has any breaks.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:55 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:17 am

(At some point I need to get around to producing that guidance note on what is considered "normal" for webDip Mafia)

Eh, I don't particularly like the idea of "normal" roles. It makes people get too elitist and be like "HURR DURR THIS ISNT THE NORMAL WAY TO DO IT WOW SO BAD LUL"

This is more for the purpose of the setup design and approval process, and for guidance purposes. It's not about making some declaration that non-normal roles or mechanics are not allowed, but it is about identifying some elements which are regarded as "normal" in the webDip way of doing Mafia, so that when a setup substantially deviates from those, the non-normal elements are highlighted and checked for balance.

We've had a couple of setups lately where there were particular mechanics which departed significantly from what the community regards as "normal", in ways which weren't always clear to the Council during the review process - and which later caused the GMs (and Council members) to receive numerous PMs/messages/complaints/points of feedback from confused players.

My note will be an attempt to address that feedback, and to both provide additional guidance and assistance to future GMs designing setups, and to assist the setup approval process.

Once I have drafted the note I will be glad to have your comments on it.

pre m67 I surveyed every former player I could get in touch with and asked them why they left.

90% named a specific player they just couldnt stand
and without fail all those same people surveyed said that the players never stop talking and they arent interesting to read, many saying they simply did not want to read 100+ posts from any one player.

the vast majority did not mention night chat as a greivance. However there was a consensus that we arent an inviting community rather that were a bunch of self loving sociopaths who love reading our own posts. One person surveyed told me that I was among the most annoying people and that was why they didnt want to play.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:25 pm

I can think of at least three dozen former players who all said they left webdip mafia because people talk too much and the game never has any breaks.

As you are usually one of the lowest posters, I can understand you may sometimes feel swamped, because almost everyone posts a lot more than you, Brain. All the same, I don't think the fact we allow night posting has recently caused at least 36 people to flee the site in disgust; I think you may be exaggerating.

150 posts per day phase maximum is also an option ive seen used on some forums.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:29 pm

and without fail all those same people surveyed said that the players never stop talking and they arent interesting to read, many saying they simply did not want to read 100+ posts from any one player.

See that all happens during the day.
So are you proposing a limit on posts per day?

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:31 pm

150 posts per day phase maximum is also an option ive seen used on some forums.

Ok, it appears you are.

In M67 the highest number of posts in any single day phase was Ghug at 114.

In M66 only one person posted more than 150 times in D1, and that was some guy called Brainbomb.

In M65 only two people posted more than 150 times in D1, and that was me, and that Brainbomb dude again.

So the thing is, Brain, it appears you could go a long way towards achieving the outcome you desire, simply by personally posting less.

Ive seen a person post 500 times day one in a game. A 22 player game where one guy posts 500 times day one and the lowest poster posted 4 is pretty insane. I am all for an ideas game and a game where socializing reveals scumtells, but that would be like giving each player 25 replies out of 22 players.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:36 pm

So the thing is, Brain, it appears you could go a long way towards achieving the outcome you desire, simply by personally posting less.

I believe I was killed very early in M66 for being both accurate and a likely PR. but upon reading maf chat it was my accuracy that caused concern.

in mini game with vecna I was top poster and was killed once again for accuracy.

So are you asking me to play accurate and explain my reads even less?

challenge accepted

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:42 pm

I believe I was killed very early in M66 for being both accurate and a likely PR. but upon reading maf chat it was my accuracy that caused concern.

in mini game with vecna I was top poster and was killed once again for accuracy.

So are you asking me to play accurate and explain my reads even less?

I'm just pointing out that it seems odd that you, particularly, are calling for a substantial reduction in posting, or a posting limit, when you are almost always one of the most prolific posters.

It's like me calling for a complete ban on the use of the word "purport", or Bo_Sox campaigning for a rule against being the worst.