Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[worcej]

I think it's 8 clears if all scum claim VT. We will have a pool of 12 to lynch from.
I don't like massclaims but this look like good odds for town, maybe not on D1 but later so the most usefull PRs can use his powers at least once.

Later is less useful because there will be people whose roles we won't be able to know.

True, I forgot the no role reveal. But I think scum will also not know what roles the NK had, so it will be hard for them to claim a PR.

I hate mass claims, first and foremost, so take that into consideration as I address this:

I imagine we will generate a group of people claiming PR, which will be higher than 8, and also a group of non-PRs, forcing the lynches in the non-PR group as the scum kill off PR players.

This situation reminds me of the Kitsune game - where we had people claim PR or not-PR. I intentionally claimed PR as a scum GF to try to muddy the waters. My gut says 2/5 'dirty boys' will claim PR to hide out in as they slowly thin the town PR claims.

[brainbomb]

obviously the goal of a massclaim is all scum claim vt and all the PR stay hidden. its sort of one of those cant have cake and eat it too scenarios. So if were going to do this we have to be willing to start the massclaim in a way that puts scum backed against a wall.

Hardclaim Junior Patrol Leader

[worcej]

obviously the goal of a massclaim is all scum claim vt and all the PR stay hidden. its sort of one of those cant have cake and eat it too scenarios. So if were going to do this we have to be willing to start the massclaim in a way that puts scum backed against a wall.

Hardclaim Junior Patrol Leader

Leave it to BB to HC a role that doesn't exist in an effort to bait claims?

[brainbomb]

obviously the goal of a massclaim is all scum claim vt and all the PR stay hidden. its sort of one of those cant have cake and eat it too scenarios. So if were going to do this we have to be willing to start the massclaim in a way that puts scum backed against a wall.

Hardclaim Junior Patrol Leader

Leave it to BB to HC a role that doesn't exist in an effort to bait claims?

Gotta earn my senior status first !

[rdrivera2005]

Later is less useful because there will be people whose roles we won't be able to know.

True, I forgot the no role reveal. But I think scum will also not know what roles the NK had, so it will be hard for them to claim a PR.

I hate mass claims, first and foremost, so take that into consideration as I address this:

I imagine we will generate a group of people claiming PR, which will be higher than 8, and also a group of non-PRs, forcing the lynches in the non-PR group as the scum kill off PR players.

This situation reminds me of the Kitsune game - where we had people claim PR or not-PR. I intentionally claimed PR as a scum GF to try to muddy the waters. My gut says 2/5 'dirty boys' will claim PR to hide out in as they slowly thin the town PR claims.

If we claim the exact role they can't do that. Only the Doc A and B should claim only Doc to have a 50/50 to not be roleblocked.

[worcej]

True, I forgot the no role reveal. But I think scum will also not know what roles the NK had, so it will be hard for them to claim a PR.

I hate mass claims, first and foremost, so take that into consideration as I address this:

I imagine we will generate a group of people claiming PR, which will be higher than 8, and also a group of non-PRs, forcing the lynches in the non-PR group as the scum kill off PR players.

This situation reminds me of the Kitsune game - where we had people claim PR or not-PR. I intentionally claimed PR as a scum GF to try to muddy the waters. My gut says 2/5 'dirty boys' will claim PR to hide out in as they slowly thin the town PR claims.

If we claim the exact role they can't do that. Only the Doc A and B should claim only Doc to have a 50/50 to not be roleblocked.

Right, so forcing our PR's to expose themselves (minus a letter for some of them) is worth it for 8 clears and 12 unknowns?

If you're willing to do that, why don't we just no lynch and claim our buddies? Scum can slowly pick off two of us and narrow down the pool that way instead.

[xorxes]

True, I forgot the no role reveal. But I think scum will also not know what roles the NK had, so it will be hard for them to claim a PR.

I hate mass claims, first and foremost, so take that into consideration as I address this:

I imagine we will generate a group of people claiming PR, which will be higher than 8, and also a group of non-PRs, forcing the lynches in the non-PR group as the scum kill off PR players.

This situation reminds me of the Kitsune game - where we had people claim PR or not-PR. I intentionally claimed PR as a scum GF to try to muddy the waters. My gut says 2/5 'dirty boys' will claim PR to hide out in as they slowly thin the town PR claims.

If we claim the exact role they can't do that. Only the Doc A and B should claim only Doc to have a 50/50 to not be roleblocked.

Or we can claim PR/VT and depending on how many claim PR we can then move on to specific roles.

[worcej]

We know there are 10 buddy pairs, of which most likely 4 contain a scum (assumes one is S-S, the rest are S-T)

[Vecna]

I think it's 8 clears if all scum claim VT. We will have a pool of 12 to lynch from.
I don't like massclaims but this look like good odds for town, maybe not on D1 but later so the most usefull PRs can use his powers at least once.

Later is less useful because there will be people whose roles we won't be able to know.

True, I forgot the no role reveal. But I think scum will also not know what roles the NK had, so it will be hard for them to claim a PR.

guess it might be time to read the setup

[xorxes]

I hate mass claims, first and foremost, so take that into consideration as I address this:

I imagine we will generate a group of people claiming PR, which will be higher than 8, and also a group of non-PRs, forcing the lynches in the non-PR group as the scum kill off PR players.

This situation reminds me of the Kitsune game - where we had people claim PR or not-PR. I intentionally claimed PR as a scum GF to try to muddy the waters. My gut says 2/5 'dirty boys' will claim PR to hide out in as they slowly thin the town PR claims.

If we claim the exact role they can't do that. Only the Doc A and B should claim only Doc to have a 50/50 to not be roleblocked.

Right, so forcing our PR's to expose themselves (minus a letter for some of them) is worth it for 8 clears and 12 unknowns?

If you're willing to do that, why don't we just no lynch and claim our buddies? Scum can slowly pick off two of us and narrow down the pool that way instead.

Are you serious? why would we prefer scum to kill two townies at a time and give up our shot at lynching scum?

[worcej]

I hate mass claims, first and foremost, so take that into consideration as I address this:

I imagine we will generate a group of people claiming PR, which will be higher than 8, and also a group of non-PRs, forcing the lynches in the non-PR group as the scum kill off PR players.

This situation reminds me of the Kitsune game - where we had people claim PR or not-PR. I intentionally claimed PR as a scum GF to try to muddy the waters. My gut says 2/5 'dirty boys' will claim PR to hide out in as they slowly thin the town PR claims.

If we claim the exact role they can't do that. Only the Doc A and B should claim only Doc to have a 50/50 to not be roleblocked.

Or we can claim PR/VT and depending on how many claim PR we can then move on to specific roles.

This doesn't result as nice as you'd like it to. It will get messy and shitty for the town long term.

[worcej]

If we claim the exact role they can't do that. Only the Doc A and B should claim only Doc to have a 50/50 to not be roleblocked.

Right, so forcing our PR's to expose themselves (minus a letter for some of them) is worth it for 8 clears and 12 unknowns?

If you're willing to do that, why don't we just no lynch and claim our buddies? Scum can slowly pick off two of us and narrow down the pool that way instead.

Are you serious? why would we prefer scum to kill two townies at a time and give up our shot at lynching scum?

Why not - let a few days run off and remove 3 town pairs. It'll be 8-5 at that point.

[xorxes]

We know there are 10 buddy pairs, of which most likely 4 contain a scum (assumes one is S-S, the rest are S-T)

9 buddy pairs, and two unpaired.

[worcej]

We know there are 10 buddy pairs, of which most likely 4 contain a scum (assumes one is S-S, the rest are S-T)

9 buddy pairs, and two unpaired.

Ah, disregard then. Besides being a meh idea anyways, town would expose a lot for little to gain.

[xorxes]

Right, so forcing our PR's to expose themselves (minus a letter for some of them) is worth it for 8 clears and 12 unknowns?

If you're willing to do that, why don't we just no lynch and claim our buddies? Scum can slowly pick off two of us and narrow down the pool that way instead.

Are you serious? why would we prefer scum to kill two townies at a time and give up our shot at lynching scum?

Why not - let a few days run off and remove 3 town pairs. It'll be 8-5 at that point.

How is guaranteed 8-5 better than possibly 9-4, 10-3 or 11-2?

[xorxes]

Are you serious? why would we prefer scum to kill two townies at a time and give up our shot at lynching scum?

Why not - let a few days run off and remove 3 town pairs. It'll be 8-5 at that point.

How is guaranteed 8-5 better than possibly 9-4, 10-3 or 11-2?

Not to mention we would have zero info on wagons by then.

[Vecna]

I already stated in the signups I would hardveto a massclaim. So lets not waste 30 pages discussing the merits abd just play proper mafia instead of what the setup

[Vecna]

whack*

[damo666]

Ah! Day one.

Baked beans?

[TheMadMonarch]

This is my first webdip Mafia game, and mate... there's a lot, and I don't understand most of it.

If anyone has any tips I'd really appreciate it.