Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, can you explain why would have pushed the mass claim as scum?

I always push for a mass claim when I think it benefits town, and if I was scum and did not do it here, certain players would find it suspicious. Of course there are those who have scum read me for pushing for the mass claim, but that is a different set of players.

[bozotheclown]

##vote damo

damo is capable of bussing, but I would be surprised if he voted at the last minute to take out a teammate unnecessarily on D1.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Oh yeah almost forgot in case I don't wake up in time ##vote donny

[summit_fever]

##vote damo

damo is capable of bussing, but I would be surprised if he voted at the last minute to take out a teammate unnecessarily on D1.

I've been questioning that. Does the fact it was Macca change anything? I've never been scum but Macca seemed like a bit of a liability.

[bozotheclown]

##vote damo

damo is capable of bussing, but I would be surprised if he voted at the last minute to take out a teammate unnecessarily on D1.

I've been questioning that. Does the fact it was Macca change anything? I've never been scum but Macca seemed like a bit of a liability.

Maybe, if he thought Macca was likely to get lynched the next day anyway, but I have never seen damo do that before.

[summit_fever]

##unvote

I'll see where the wagons are in the morning.

[bozotheclown]

Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR

With 9/18 players participating:
Jamie 7
Donny 6
flash 3
HR 3
TFB 3
Bob 2
damo 2
JF 2
rdrivera 2
summit 2
bozo 1
brainbomb 1
emc 1
xorxes 1
Bismarck 0
Durga 0
Vecna 0
worcej 0

At least Bismarck/Durga/Vecna/worcej is not a possible scum team.

[bozotheclown]

I think Macca is a player who thinks we are talking to him when we are not.

This'll be fun :D

Macca does seem a bit panicked though, I cannot tell if lost or just paranoia lunging for shadows.
Does seem scummy to me.

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

rrrrrriiight

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If not then it would be for Macca,
Would that be more useful than a dead weight then?

What did I do? I want to not do it in the future.

This seems to be the extent of Donny's interaction with Macca. In the second set of posts, Macca posted 3 minutes after Donny, but Donny never responded to his question. It is possible Donny was trying to distance himself from Macca, but did not want to directly interact with Macca.

[bozotheclown]

If there were 2 scum VT claimants bussing Macca, I don't know who they are, so Donny is still one my top 2 most likely scum in the VTs. Also, it looks like it is him or me getting lynched today, since about half of the players have been inactive D2.

##VOTE Donny

[BismarckAlive]

Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR

With 9/18 players participating:
Jamie 7
Donny 6
flash 3
HR 3
TFB 3
Bob 2
damo 2
JF 2
rdrivera 2
summit 2
bozo 1
brainbomb 1
emc 1
xorxes 1
Bismarck 0
Durga 0
Vecna 0
worcej 0

At least Bismarck/Durga/Vecna/worcej is not a possible scum team.

I think I have given my reasons before, but I will restate my current thinking on the scumteam, and some assumptions I am making.
(1) TRC could be either VT or PR. That is irrelevant to the extent that we simply have 4 dirty scouts to find in 18 people. But it has to be incorporated in the assumptions.
(2) I see a 50/50 split between Chamiet and Worcej for a PR claiming dirty scout. Ever since I saw Worcej "coaching", I have thought he is dirty. And both waited till the end to claim PR, and both have claimed FAE. So I would lynch Worcej, and if flips clean then Chamiet is dirty.
(3) the other picks I have expressed before are Donny, Brainbomb and Bob McBob,.
(4) If TRC was PR, then we have two PR claimants who are dirty. They will be easier to find;
(5) It is possible that TRC divulged his role to a dirty chat buddy, but I am discounting that possibility;
(6) It is also possible that two clean scouts swapped their roles for the massclaim, but I am discounting that possibility - ie my assumption is that all clean scouts claimed honestly;
(7) If TRC was VT, then there is one PR claimant that is dirty, so therefore 3 left in the VT camp.
The dirty camp sent home TRC for the massclaim uncertainty. But I think that with the confirmed dirty scout from N1 scan (assuming brainbomb and bozo didn't lie) coupled with the 50/50 on Worcej/Chamiet (no reason why both can't be dirty) means we are well advanced, even without a full massclaim. And we don't know what Macca role was, but the dirty camp still lost a role. So we are heading in the right direction.

[Vecna]

Does M55 represent a normal posting rate for flash or is this game a better example?

flash typically does not post a lot, especially early, but usually more than this game.

I would like a response from Vecna.

his posting quantity fluctuates a lot from game to game. hes usually more quite as pr, sometimes more as scum. I was just surprised you were using it as an argument since I was strongly doubting you had more than one other game with him

[Vecna]

Arguing with Bozo is like trying to make love to a railway locomotive.

Painful and unsatisfying.

so you're townreading him?

[Vecna]

Keep in mind that there may also be buddy chats which roleswapped. we have a very imcomplete tapestry

Correct. Something my buddy suggested, but that I refused, and not just because I refuse to claim.

Reading back, Macca seemed rather newbish and confused and asked a lot of questions. Flustered newb scum. It's what got him lynched isn't it?

It seems to me rather incongruous that he would also come up with the suggestion of swapping roles in the buddy chat.

hmmm id forgotten about that. odd that a new player would try that

[bozotheclown]

Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR
Bismarck: worcej, Donny, brainbomb, Bob

With 10/18 players participating:
Donny 7
Jamie 7
Bob 3
flash 3
HR 3
TFB 3
brainbomb 2
damo 2
JF 2
rdrivera 2
summit 2
bozo 1
emc 1
xorxes 1
worcej 1
Bismarck 0
Durga 0
Vecna 0

[Vecna]

Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR

With 9/18 players participating:
Jamie 7
Donny 6
flash 3
HR 3
TFB 3
Bob 2
damo 2
JF 2
rdrivera 2
summit 2
bozo 1
brainbomb 1
emc 1
xorxes 1
Bismarck 0
Durga 0
Vecna 0
worcej 0

At least Bismarck/Durga/Vecna/worcej is not a possible scum team.

interesting that noone put bismarck.

Emc & bismarck are definately my picks amongst the prs

[rdrivera2005]

Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR

With 9/18 players participating:
Jamie 7
Donny 6
flash 3
HR 3
TFB 3
Bob 2
damo 2
JF 2
rdrivera 2
summit 2
bozo 1
brainbomb 1
emc 1
xorxes 1
Bismarck 0
Durga 0
Vecna 0
worcej 0

At least Bismarck/Durga/Vecna/worcej is not a possible scum team.

interesting that noone put bismarck.

Emc & bismarck are definately my picks amongst the prs

I find more interesting no one put Durga, that is just lurking and claimed VT.

[rdrivera2005]

Gotta hate sloppy repair jobs. At least you got it fixed.
Been having a dishwasher saga where we are now on dishwasher #3 which has been over a month in not resolving.
Relooking at the vts since everyone seems to hard disagree with my opinion, which is fine.
I guess out of that list, Idk, my problem is that there is not anyone who screams scum enough for me to vote for them.
I will accept cases among the vts since I am just not seeing anything I like and will reread as needed.
I guess I could vote no lynch but that would be dumb, I think.

Maybe you just don't get it? I really don't think mafia chat would have allowed you to come out this unprepared.

That's exactly what I am thinking. This guy looks so really clueless that he will deserve an oscar if he is scum and acting.

[rdrivera2005]

##vote damo

damo is capable of bussing, but I would be surprised if he voted at the last minute to take out a teammate unnecessarily on D1.

I've been questioning that. Does the fact it was Macca change anything? I've never been scum but Macca seemed like a bit of a liability.

I think a lot of the pragmatic players can think that (myself included) and go for the buss. I don't think Damo is one of them.

[Jamiet99uk]

Arguing with Bozo is like trying to make love to a railway locomotive.

Painful and unsatisfying.

so you're townreading him?

Where did I say that?

No.

[Jamiet99uk]

Updated "predictions":

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB, Durga
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR
Bismarck: worcej, Donny, brainbomb, Bob
Vecna: emc, bismarck, bozo , _________