Mafia 56: Scout Camp

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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#401 Post by summit_fever » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:34 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:09 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:02 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:47 pm
PR: xorxes, Vecna, flash, emc
VT: damo, rdrivera, HR, bozo, Durga, Donny, summit
Not Participating: worcej
If you are town, will you let yourself get lynched without telling us if you are a PR?
I’ll do what I need to do to prove a point.
If we murder you with no claim, and afterwards town falters, you haven't proved anything. If we complete the massclaim and it leads to town's downfall you'll have done more to prove your point. We already have over half the players claimed with a bunch of PR claims. There is no option at this point.

##vote worcej
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#402 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:45 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:05 pm
PR: xorxes, Vecna, flash, emc, TFB
VT: damo, rdrivera, HR, bozo, Durga, Donny, summit
Not Participating: worcej

I still think this is a stupid plan but whatever a majority of people seem on board so I'll do it.
Reminder this is the current list to the best of my knowledge. We have a majority of the people having claimed. Please just claim @worcej. I thought it was dumb but still if everyone is making themselves vulnerable by doing so it would be harmful to do so with less than full information. The die is cast and if you're on the town side you should help the town win.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#403 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:47 pm

Oh yeah and until he comes around

##vote worcej

If he doesn't want to claim we need to neutralize the negative effect of someone not claiming by getting rid of them unfortunately.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#404 Post by worcej » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:50 pm

Watch as the nasty bugs flock to the fresh meat.

It’s too easy of an option to pass up.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#405 Post by worcej » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:57 pm

“He isn’t cooperating, get him!” is a pretty shit excuse.

Ask yourself this: What scum motivation do I have to stand my ground and be obstinate?

How does eliminating a non-participant in any way advance your chances of catching scum?
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#406 Post by worcej » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:07 pm

Let me help you out little nasty bugs: as town and obstinate - I have zero incentive to claim until all 19 other players claim. Me shoving the information out early will only help scum pick their place to stack as they trickle in.

No one thought that through when they decided to push this out, did they?
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#407 Post by worcej » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 pm

None of our ‘town leaders’ thought this out before they began putting their claims either.

There is for sure at least 3 scum already claiming by this point. I’ll need to remember to verify this once I get the GT.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#408 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:31 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:57 pm
“He isn’t cooperating, get him!” is a pretty shit excuse.

Ask yourself this: What scum motivation do I have to stand my ground and be obstinate?

How does eliminating a non-participant in any way advance your chances of catching scum?
Playing devil's advocate, you could have the motivation so that you could use this exact argument...
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#409 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:33 pm

Regardless though I believe that damo's instaclaim with so few massclaim supporters at the time, especially when he hasn't tried to steer anything else at any point today, makes him a pretty good option for a ##vote damo
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#410 Post by rdrivera2005 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:36 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 pm
None of our ‘town leaders’ thought this out before they began putting their claims either.

There is for sure at least 3 scum already claiming by this point. I’ll need to remember to verify this once I get the GT.
Considering we have 12/20 claims, it's statistically expected we have 3 scum between the 12. What's your point?
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#411 Post by worcej » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:40 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:36 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 pm
None of our ‘town leaders’ thought this out before they began putting their claims either.

There is for sure at least 3 scum already claiming by this point. I’ll need to remember to verify this once I get the GT.
Considering we have 12/20 claims, it's statistically expected we have 3 scum between the 12. What's your point?
That I am probably going to focus on this group of 12 better than the remaining. And I like to make predictions and see if I was right when I made them.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#412 Post by worcej » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:41 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:31 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:57 pm
“He isn’t cooperating, get him!” is a pretty shit excuse.

Ask yourself this: What scum motivation do I have to stand my ground and be obstinate?

How does eliminating a non-participant in any way advance your chances of catching scum?
Playing devil's advocate, you could have the motivation so that you could use this exact argument...
For waiting, yes. But this post you quoted has no devil’s advocate side to take.

Nothing I am doing is scum sided. If I was scum, I would’ve just stfu and pulled a Vecna instead of standing my ground.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#413 Post by JF1981 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:10 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:56 pm
JF1981 wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:54 pm
Its not easy joining as a noob and some more experienced players pile in with terminology, votes, the setup of the game is different now to what is was initially (mafia/cops) etc

##vote bozo

no offence but it is just a holding vote until i properly read the 18 pages and make a decision. dont want to miss a vote- can always change it im told
Do you understand what we are doing with the mass claim? If your role is one of the 8 town roles with special abilities (Power Role or PR), you claim you are a PR, but do not tell us your exact role. If you are a VT, you claim VT. If you are mafia, you will have to figure out what to do.
VT?
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#414 Post by flash2015 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:17 pm

Vanilla Town (i.e. not a Power Role)
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#415 Post by damo666 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:01 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:40 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:36 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 pm
None of our ‘town leaders’ thought this out before they began putting their claims either.

There is for sure at least 3 scum already claiming by this point. I’ll need to remember to verify this once I get the GT.
Considering we have 12/20 claims, it's statistically expected we have 3 scum between the 12. What's your point?
That I am probably going to focus on this group of 12 better than the remaining. And I like to make predictions and see if I was right when I made them.
3/12 = 2/8 :eyeroll:
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#416 Post by damo666 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:11 pm

12 claims so far.

Expected VT claims 7/20 * 12 = 4.2.

Allowing for reluctance to claim to be weighted towards PRs let's call this 5.

We have 7 VT claimants thus far so much guess would be 2 scum therein.

5-2 better than 3-1 isn't it?

My guess at the 2 would be HR and Durga. I stress guess.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#417 Post by damo666 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:16 pm

A point on the mass claim other than its inherent efficiency or not or whether it spoils the game or not the discussion it provokes is in itself a catalyst to the scumhunt.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#418 Post by Vecna » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:24 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:55 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:44 am
Vecna wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:07 pm
I already stated in the signups I would hardveto a massclaim. So lets not waste 30 pages discussing the merits abd just play proper mafia instead of what the setup
As usual, I believe we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes "proper mafia". My idea of "proper mafia" is to do everything you can within the rules to win.
If you have yet to realize the frustration Vecna and myself are projecting - it's annoying that we turn a game of subterfuge into and stop actually really scum hunting via actions/words and instead just start sorting out piles.

If I wanted that, I'd play 52 card pickup.
<3

Lets do it one last time worcej. If we manage to kill it this game, going forward were goong to demanf closed setups, or vanilla-only open setups.

I sort of knew this was going to be the issue as soon as I saw the setup. probably shouldve hammered harder for more anto claim.

but yes, u nailed it. was looking forward to some subterfuge
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#419 Post by BobMcBob » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:26 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:26 pm
xorxes wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:05 pm
Vecna wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:58 pm
cross-post. bah

Maybe I should just change my mind on this to make a clear statement once and for all that all setups should either be closed or vanilla.

I have no real idea how you find this way of playing the game fun Xorxes
The fun for me is in finding scum. I don't believe a massclaim breaks this game, it just improves our chances of finding scum. It forces scum to make tough decisions early, before they have time to consult with their teammates. I don't really see any fun in playing suboptimally. The only acceptable reason to play a game suboptimally is when you are playing with a child and you want to make it fun for them, so you don't do your best to win.
Even adults like to have fun and enjoy their time. You're playing a game with other people, do you not care if they state that this strategy ruins the game for them?
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I joined this mafia game because the setup sounded fun, not because I wanted to see it blown out of the water by a massclaim which probably won't end up being as helpful as the few main proponents think it is.
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Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp

#420 Post by BobMcBob » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:35 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:31 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:57 pm
“He isn’t cooperating, get him!” is a pretty shit excuse.

Ask yourself this: What scum motivation do I have to stand my ground and be obstinate?

How does eliminating a non-participant in any way advance your chances of catching scum?
Playing devil's advocate, you could have the motivation so that you could use this exact argument...
Still, this play is risky as heck and being this stubborn has a high chance of getting him lynched. Especially with the number of complete noobs who can easily be swayed by the scum elements of this game, he's offering himself up as a very likely lynch. I can almost guarantee there will be at least 2 scum on worcej no matter which way he flips though, so at least we get information I guess. And getting a little bit information as a trade-up for unfortunate deaths is the whole point of the massclaim right?
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