Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:06 am
(if damo will scan one if the cc companions I am back to worcej)
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Not necessary at this stage. If Jamiet turns out to be the roleblocker, they can verify themselves with their roleblock power.
Yes. As long as Bunny, Xorxes and I don't move votes and nobody joins either wagon it doesn't matter where other votes go (though obviously should be restricted to Itso Kalel or worcej).dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 amSo how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?
I will switch back if needed.
But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)
There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 amSo how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?
I will switch back if needed.
But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)
Our pact worked! Although it helped that neither of us are killer roles...damo666 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:08 amYes. As long as Bunny, Xorxes and I don't move votes and nobody joins either wagon it doesn't matter where other votes go (though obviously should be restricted to Itso Kalel or worcej).dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 amSo how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?
I will switch back if needed.
But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)
Btw Darg nice to both still be here day 2 eh?
They are not candidates for the vote. And I know I'm not answering your question.
Well, the leading wagon has to be at least 4 strong. But there will be time to consolidate.xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:08 amThere's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 amSo how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?
I will switch back if needed.
But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)
Oh yeah. Add that last caveat to my post 2463xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:09 amWell, the leading wagon has to be at least 4 strong. But there will be time to consolidate.xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:08 amThere's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 amSo how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?
I will switch back if needed.
But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)
Exactly.dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 amI know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.
Vote a companion. They have backups.
Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.
And knowing my luck I'll read the backup!dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 amI know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.
Vote a companion. They have backups.
Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.
Maybe we need one wagon with 2 votes and one other with 3 votes just to prevent someone joining Xorx voting Xorx the last minute?
This is valid and because people are sometimes a tad slow there might be a late wagon on one or both of these which is why I am reluctant to read them and prefer to restrict it to the vt list.xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 amExactly.dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 amI know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.
Vote a companion. They have backups.
Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.
The part about lylo is only true if the BH cooperates with town, and worcej has indicated he would like to see the mafia win.xorxes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:32 pmTOWN:
"You are part of the town and you win when both Mafia factions are eliminated and the Neutral has not yet won."
MAFIA:
"You are part of the Alliance and you win when both Town and Reaver factions are eliminated or cannot win and the Neutral has not yet won."
From a numbers perspective, the BH is just like another townie, except that the game ends if certain people are dead before them.
The Mafia team has to reduce the sum total of the other factions to the same number as them. The BH counts as another number against them. If town lynches the BH, Mafia is just as happy or happier than if town lynches one of their own.
The town has to eliminate the Mafia teams. From town's perspective BH is just like another townie, except not especially cooperative and with dangerous strings attached. But from a numbers perspective in facing the Mafia, they count as one more town.
bozo insists that lynching BH does not count as a mislynch, but that's semantics. It very much does count as a mislynch in terms of how many we got before LYLO.
Lynching someone strongly suspected of being BH when they are extremely far from their win condition, and when we have a way to detect if they were lying, and a way to detect when they become truly dangerous, is anti-town.
I think ##VOTE no-lynch solves that problem.
It does not matter as long as there is at least one wagon with exactly 2 votes and xorxes votes on a single wagon.