MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#41 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:40 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:36 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:34 pm


Oho. In which case one has to wonder, am I reaver prime? ;)
Who would you recruit if you were?
You know me well enough that I'm near guaranteed to want to go for Vecna at some point lol

but not going to give rPrime any ideas, for all we know they're new or out-of-date, and clueless towards good recruits ;p
You know better than this, xorx

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#42 Post by ND » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:44 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:33 pm
There's been no personal insults yet and everyone seems mildly happy from being infected with curable holiday stds, so let us all endeavour to keep the positive tones ongoing :D
I know look at all these lovely people isnt it nice? Aw.

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#43 Post by ND » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:44 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:40 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:36 pm


Who would you recruit if you were?
You know me well enough that I'm near guaranteed to want to go for Vecna at some point lol

but not going to give rPrime any ideas, for all we know they're new or out-of-date, and clueless towards good recruits ;p
You know better than this, xorx
What's up with you and vekna?

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#44 Post by peterlund » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:45 pm

Reading the set-up, I got the impression that the power of the Twins is anti-town if used.

If Mafia 1 attempts to kill X and Y dies instead, they can conclude that X is a Twin (a less valuable "vanilla" type of town role). This allows them to look for more powerful town roles in other players, since they know that X is merely a Twin. So twins please don't use the impersonating power. I cannot see any good reason to ever use that power since it does not seem to give any good value to town.

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#45 Post by xorxes » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:45 pm

So, does anyone have a good argument why we should not massclaim?

"I opposse massclaims on principle" is not a good argument.

There are obviously some drawbacks, but with so few VTs in play a massclaim should always be a consideration.

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#46 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:46 pm

##CALL GM

What happens if both twins activate in the same phase?

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#47 Post by xorxes » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:47 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:40 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:36 pm


Who would you recruit if you were?
You know me well enough that I'm near guaranteed to want to go for Vecna at some point lol

but not going to give rPrime any ideas, for all we know they're new or out-of-date, and clueless towards good recruits ;p
You know better than this, xorx
You got townie points for your first answer, then lost them with the rejoinder...

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#48 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:47 pm

Oh look Xorxes wanting a massclaim, that's new.

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#49 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:48 pm

Don't think we've played with peter or teac in a while, haven't personally played with gold before iirc, and perstition is noob, so looking forwards to seeing them play.

The great expectations are lumped upon Teac this game, his time should be open for the good ol' textwalls that I miss, due to holiday breaks :D

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#50 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:49 pm

ND wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:44 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:33 pm
There's been no personal insults yet and everyone seems mildly happy from being infected with curable holiday stds, so let us all endeavour to keep the positive tones ongoing :D
I know look at all these lovely people isnt it nice? Aw.
<3

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#51 Post by xorxes » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:49 pm

peterlund wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:45 pm
Reading the set-up, I got the impression that the power of the Twins is anti-town if used.

If Mafia 1 attempts to kill X and Y dies instead, they can conclude that X is a Twin (a less valuable "vanilla" type of town role). This allows them to look for more powerful town roles in other players, since they know that X is merely a Twin. So twins please don't use the impersonating power. I cannot see any good reason to ever use that power since it does not seem to give any good value to town.
They can use their power to prove who they are when they claim.

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#52 Post by xorxes » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:51 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:47 pm
Oh look Xorxes wanting a massclaim, that's new.
I didn't say I wanted one yet.

Are you one of those who oppose on principle?

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#53 Post by KalelChase » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:51 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:40 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:36 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:34 pm


Oho. In which case one has to wonder, am I reaver prime? ;)
Who would you recruit if you were?
You know me well enough that I'm near guaranteed to want to go for Vecna at some point lol

but not going to give rPrime any ideas, for all we know they're new or out-of-date, and clueless towards good recruits ;p
Speaking of new and clueless.... welcome to the game Superstition.

I waited until my 4th game to read this; https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3 ... ?f=4&t=272

Don't make the same mistake.

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#54 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:52 pm

ND wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:44 pm
What's up with you and vekna?
It's beneficial to build up a meta/reputation of "Vecna-fanboy", heh

But sue me, I like his type of play

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#55 Post by Kitsune » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:54 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:46 pm
##CALL GM

What happens if both twins activate in the same phase?
You are FANTY, the TWIN

During the day you must vote for a suspect.

Each night you may instruct the GMs via private message if you are Impersonating your twin. If so, and you are targeted by a night effect, your twin is hit instead.

You are part of the town and you win when both Mafia factions are eliminated and the Neutral has not yet won.
Read the wording of the third section carefully. It doesn't say 'your twin is targeted instead', to avoid the possibility of both Twins activating and giving no viable target.

If Fanty and Mingo are both active and one night kill targets Mingo, it will hit Fanty.

If Fanty is being targeted by a Respectable Businessman in the same phase, he will see the night killer approaching Mingo.
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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#56 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:55 pm

xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:45 pm
So, does anyone have a good argument why we should not massclaim?

"I opposse massclaims on principle" is not a good argument.

There are obviously some drawbacks, but with so few VTs in play a massclaim should always be a consideration.
It tells Reaver who to take out/which powers they want to nullify

and bounty hunter - helps with how/order/method they push

but that seems to be 'bout it?

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#57 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:56 pm

xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:47 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:40 pm


You know me well enough that I'm near guaranteed to want to go for Vecna at some point lol

but not going to give rPrime any ideas, for all we know they're new or out-of-date, and clueless towards good recruits ;p
You know better than this, xorx
You got townie points for your first answer, then lost them with the rejoinder...
...loosing town pts for townreading you? Huh

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#58 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:57 pm

Ohh wait I'm stupid, I left out words

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#59 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:59 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm
You know better than to do this as scum, xorx [implying you are not scum]
much lovelier to interpret

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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

#60 Post by xorxes » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:00 am

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:56 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:47 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm


You know better than this, xorx
You got townie points for your first answer, then lost them with the rejoinder...
...loosing town pts for townreading you? Huh
"You know better than this, xorx" is a townread?

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