MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Here was the status of my N1 VT scum survey when Superstition claimed Companion:

bozo: ND, Superstition, Foxcastle
goldfinger: Superstition, emc, bozo
ND: Superstition, Chaqa, ?
Temasek: emc, Superstition, Foxcastle
Chaqa: ND, Temasek, Superstition
dargorygel: emc, Superstition, bozo
worcej: bozo, Superstition, Foxcastle
rdrivera: ND, Temasek, bozo
Kalel: Chaqa, emc, bozo
BunnyGo: bozo, emc, Chaqa
Jamie: emc, bozo, Superstition

The mafia team 1 might have thought it was best to get Superstition out of the VT claims.

[e.m.c^42]

Unofficial votecount:

worcej (7) ND Chaqa bozotheclown teacon7 worcej* peterlund e.m.c^42
KalelChase (4) goldfinger0303 Tom Bombadil ItsHosuke Foxcastle
ItsHosuke (4) Temasek22 dargorygel KalelChase Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo (2) BunnyGo damo666
No‑Lynch (1) xorxes

4/6 VT voting for worcej.

Voting for one of Kalel or Hosuke would result in either:
- a lynch of probably the roleblocker, a teammate of two scum, possibly two scum VT, or:
- clearing one VT, reducing the pool where the other two scum VT can hide

Townie points for Fox and Tem.

:cri: that requires actual thought and reading of them :p

but on gut feel the perstition slot comes off as worse as I don't think he was actually that lost or incompetent. Like ffs, he's actually played mafia IRL before - and neither Kit or Ike would let a new player off without recc'ing them the intro tutorials.

however

if we vote Kalel, his slot is much more likely to give/generate content as protest, if only due to time zone issues

[bozotheclown]

Unofficial votecount:

worcej (7) ND Chaqa bozotheclown teacon7 worcej* peterlund e.m.c^42
KalelChase (4) goldfinger0303 Tom Bombadil ItsHosuke Foxcastle
ItsHosuke (4) Temasek22 dargorygel KalelChase Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo (2) BunnyGo damo666
No‑Lynch (1) xorxes

4/6 VT voting for worcej.

Voting for one of Kalel or Hosuke would result in either:
- a lynch of probably the roleblocker, a teammate of two scum, possibly two scum VT, or:
- clearing one VT, reducing the pool where the other two scum VT can hide

Townie points for Fox and Tem.

I’ll vote Hosuke if you want. I much prefer worcej though

The only excuse to vote for worcej is if there was strong suspicion he was the Reaver. I saw no evidence of the in my reread, and some evidence to the contrary.

My order of suspicion for worcej is:
1. Investigator
2. Reaver 0
3. BH

[e.m.c^42]

My order of suspicion for worcej is:
1. Investigator
2. Reaver 0
3. BH

Did he post in between the two GM posts? Can't find the list atm

[e.m.c^42]

My order of suspicion for worcej is:
1. Investigator
2. Reaver 0
3. BH

Did he post in between the two GM posts? Can't find the list atm

nvm

[goldfinger0303]

Yet you continue to list EMC as a scumread.

So let's get this straight:

1. You scumread Mr. X, quite strongly.

2. You say this repeatedly and vote for Mr. X.

3. You continue to point out that Mr. X appears to be scum and you say that you want Mr. X to be one of the top wagons today.

4. Close to EoD two other people join your Mr. X wagon.

5. Your immediate response is "oh dear, they must be sheeping me". You urgently abandon the Mr. X wagon and criticise anyone who votes for Mr. X.

6. In the next phase, you continue to declare that Mr. X is one of your top scumreads.


Cool story, bro.
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With lack of information, it was the prudent thing to do. It seemed odd, so I went with the guaranteed town's wagon.

peterlund's flip as Vig shows that at least one of those people were town, so my concerns were somewhat abated. We'll find out if Kalel is scum at the end of the day.

scumreading for someone for having views evolve as more information comes to them is absurd.

[RagingIke297]

##gm note

Current vote count


worcej (7) ND Chaqa bozotheclown teacon7 worcej* peterlund e.m.c^42
KalelChase (4) goldfinger0303 Tom Bombadil ItsHosuke Foxcastle
ItsHosuke (4) Temasek22 dargorygel KalelChase Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo (2)BunnyGo damo666
No‑Lynch (1) xorxes

(Kit may or not be around for EOD, please direct GM calls at me)

[bozotheclown]

Huh, I see I'm locked in a counterclaim battle with Kalel, I feel he's scum who picked the weakest link to counterclaim. I will post about my predecessor's night actions once I get told by the GM about what he did at night.

This was before Hosuke received his role PM, but the part about Kalel picking the weakest claim to counter claim is inconsistent with the fact that Kalel crumbed Companion before Superstition claimed Companion.

[Jamiet99uk]

scumreading for someone for having views evolve as more information comes to them is absurd.

I don't scumread you for that, you fool. I don't need a read on you at all. I know that you are scum. I am in the position of having 100% perfect evidence that you are a lying scum, because I have read my role PM and it tells me that I am the DOCTOR, and therefore I know that you are not the doctor.

[Jamiet99uk]

Goldfinger I'm not doing these ISO posts on you because I'm trying to work out whether you are town or scum. Lol. I know the answer to that question already, you see?

[goldfinger0303]

Huh, I see I'm locked in a counterclaim battle with Kalel, I feel he's scum who picked the weakest link to counterclaim. I will post about my predecessor's night actions once I get told by the GM about what he did at night.

This was before Hosuke received his role PM, but the part about Kalel picking the weakest claim to counter claim is inconsistent with the fact that Kalel crumbed Companion before Superstition claimed Companion.

Crumbing is pretty much irrelevant. I can post 10 different crumbs and just point out the one to everyone for the role I actually claim. And nobody will really notice it unless you point it out. Maybe we should give them less credence.

Does anyone really think Superstition was *that* bad of a player that they'd be coached in the QT to claim a role, but not post in the QT who they RB? Of course not, because that assumes they would be 1) Engaged enough to look at the QT and accept advice but 2) Not engaged enough to post in the QT on who to RB. Come on.

Oh look, if you see the first letters of my sentences, they say "C I am Doc". I'm totally doc guys, look I crumbed it.

[goldfinger0303]

Jamiet, don't be a fool. I know you're trying to convince everyone else to scumread me. I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in the logic of your case.

My case is easy - you flipped out in an outrage against xorxes when your scum partner was caught. And I will be mechanically cleared at EOD.

[goldfinger0303]

I'm off to watch the Bills game. Will only be on sporadically between now and EOD.

##VOTE KALEL guys. Its the better case among the two companion claims. Worcej is a done deal. We need the info that comes from a companion lynch, so our reader doesn't have to waste a read on them.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamiet, don't be a fool. I know you're trying to convince everyone else to scumread me. I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in the logic of your case.

My case is easy - you flipped out in an outrage against xorxes when your scum partner was caught. And I will be mechanically cleared at EOD.

No you will not, but I certainly will be.

I'd offer a wager at this point but it's against the rules.

[xorxes]

Does anyone really think Superstition was *that* bad of a player that they'd be coached in the QT to claim a role, but not post in the QT who they RB? Of course not, because that assumes they would be 1) Engaged enough to look at the QT and accept advice but 2) Not engaged enough to post in the QT on who to RB. Come on.

I don't think that's relevant. Hosuke would have been informed by the GMs of all of Super's actions whether he posted them in the QT or not. At least I hope so.

[Jamiet99uk]

The GOLDFINGER ISO, Part III

Day Two, up to page 120:

P.88 Is confused about whether or not he should claim his role. Criticises Bozo, who he says is still a scumread, for trying to get PRs to reveal.

Votes for Worcej after Worcej slips up and appears to be fakeclaiming Reader. Suggests hammering.

P.89 I am drunk and confused and ask what is happening. Goldfinger declares that we are lynching Worcej and that only he, Kalel, and myself still have to reveal. He declares that Kalel and myself are liars.

Asks Worcej to declare his BH targets. Says he wasn't roleblocked.

P.90 Xorxes outright asks Goldfinger if he is the doctor. He gives a hedgy response.

P.94 Fake claims Doctor and says he protected Tom, due to Tom being revealed by Peter's shot (interestingly, I had also considered this, but then decided to stay on Xorxes).

Now has a very strong scumread on Chaqa. Says he thinks that Worcej is lying about being BH, but is scum all the same.

Discusses Reaver and BH mechanics.

P.95 Argues with Xorxes about whether he should have announced who he "protected" (Xorxes is critical of him for doing so).

P.96 Accuses Chaqa of trying to save Worcej who must therefore be Chaqa's team mate.

P.97-98 Moves his vote to me because of "new information" after I have revealed that I am the real Doctor. Damo quickly calls this out as a potential scumslip (since if Goldfinger was really the doctor he would know I was scum and this would not be "new info"). Damo may have been right there.

P.100 Regards Kalel's role claim as an "interesting turn of events" but declares he does not believe Kalel. Repeats his townread of Superstition / Hosuke.

P.101 Teacon asks him why he talked about hammering Worcej. He brushes this off as a "reaction test". I call BS on that tbh.

P.110 Moves his vote back to Worcej. Discusses the plan to verify the Doctor claims based on whether Xorxes has 1 or 3 votes.

P.111 Claims if I was actually town I wouldn't want to be scanned (false).

Claims tonight is the last night someone is reaved - implying he is certain the reaver was successful last night.

Calls on the Mafia to declare who was roleblocked, if the roleblocker is being lynched (i.e. Worcej).

P.114 Is "near certain" Worcej is *not* BH.

P.115 Finds it amusing I have similar scumreads to him. Wrongly claims he always posted his reads on these people before me. Falsely accuses me of "parroting" his reads.

P.117 Now wants to lynch in the Companion CC's because there is a backup.

P.118 Has the humility to apologise to Bozo in the face of his inferiority when compared to Bozo's intellectual might. Votes KalelChase.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't know what more to conclude from the final part of Goldfinger's ISO. There's much less in his posts today to connect him to other people. He's spent the whole day clinging to a very big lie, so it's hard to know if anything else he says is true at all.

[e.m.c^42]

hmm ##vote hosuke for now

[Chaqa]

Yet you continue to list EMC as a scumread.

So let's get this straight:

1. You scumread Mr. X, quite strongly.

2. You say this repeatedly and vote for Mr. X.

3. You continue to point out that Mr. X appears to be scum and you say that you want Mr. X to be one of the top wagons today.

4. Close to EoD two other people join your Mr. X wagon.

5. Your immediate response is "oh dear, they must be sheeping me". You urgently abandon the Mr. X wagon and criticise anyone who votes for Mr. X.

6. In the next phase, you continue to declare that Mr. X is one of your top scumreads.


Cool story, bro.

With lack of information, it was the prudent thing to do. It seemed odd, so I went with the guaranteed town's wagon.

peterlund's flip as Vig shows that at least one of those people were town, so my concerns were somewhat abated. We'll find out if Kalel is scum at the end of the day.

scumreading for someone for having views evolve as more information comes to them is absurd.
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Has Goldie messed up quotes before? Hmm

[xorxes]

I think if one of Bunny or damo want to vote somewhere else the test would still work. If I have one vote, I will be listed last even if we tie, if I have 3 votes, I will be listed above that wagon.

That might be safer, in case whoever is to be lynched votes for Bunny, which would render the test inconclusive.