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Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:01 pm
by bozotheclown
xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:03 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:31 am
xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:25 am
They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.
Why does Jack the Ripper want Dr. Jekyll outed? I think Jack the Ripper wants Mr. Hyde to kill as many players as possible.
Aren't there 22 players left after D1? If we mislynch D1, Mr. Hyde has a 14/21 chance of hitting town and 6/21 chance of hitting mafia, assuming a random selection. However, the problem is Mr. Hyde will be trying to kill a town, since he can win with the mafia or the SK, and he only needs to identify one town correctly to make sure he does not accidentally kill a mafia (or waste an attempt on the SK).
I thought I read somewhere that Hyde knew who Jekyll was, but I can't find it now. Hyde will try to kill town, but everyone is trying to look towny, so they may end up hitting a scum that has disguised themselves very well as town.
Here it is: "They will know your identity; you will not know theirs. If Hyde targets Jack the Ripper, or Dr Jekyll, the attack will fail." So you are correct, but it is the part about Mr. Hyde not being able to kill Dr. Jekyll that made me think he did not know Dr. Jekyll's identify, since this seems to defeat the requirement that Mr. Hyde can't withhold his NK. If Mr. Hyde want to withhold his NK, all he has to do is target Dr Jekyll.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:04 pm
by bozotheclown
Vaporwave wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:19 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:34 am
xorxes, do you think rdrivera is trying to pocket you before you scum read him again, or do you agree that your post was the first good post?
This is such a weird question coming from bozo, but then I remember him being on rivera's case every game, so I'm not sure
rdrivera seems to think that also, but I do not think I am predisposed to suspect him.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:05 pm
by xorxes
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:01 pm
xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:03 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:31 am
Why does Jack the Ripper want Dr. Jekyll outed? I think Jack the Ripper wants Mr. Hyde to kill as many players as possible.
Aren't there 22 players left after D1? If we mislynch D1, Mr. Hyde has a 14/21 chance of hitting town and 6/21 chance of hitting mafia, assuming a random selection. However, the problem is Mr. Hyde will be trying to kill a town, since he can win with the mafia or the SK, and he only needs to identify one town correctly to make sure he does not accidentally kill a mafia (or waste an attempt on the SK).
I thought I read somewhere that Hyde knew who Jekyll was, but I can't find it now. Hyde will try to kill town, but everyone is trying to look towny, so they may end up hitting a scum that has disguised themselves very well as town.
Here it is: "They will know your identity; you will not know theirs. If Hyde targets Jack the Ripper, or Dr Jekyll, the attack will fail." So you are correct, but it is the part about Mr. Hyde not being able to kill Dr. Jekyll that made me think he did not know Dr. Jekyll's identify, since this seems to defeat the requirement that Mr. Hyde can't withhold his NK. If Mr. Hyde want to withhold his NK, all he has to do is target Dr Jekyll.
Yes, that's somewhat contradictory.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:06 pm
by bozotheclown
Vaporwave wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:19 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:34 am
xorxes, do you think rdrivera is trying to pocket you before you scum read him again, or do you agree that your post was the first good post?
This is such a weird question coming from bozo, but then I remember him being on rivera's case every game, so I'm not sure
Although this was not meant to be completely serious, it is based on rdrivera complaining that xorxes has been scum reading him recently when he was town.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:08 pm
by dargorygel
Bozo... Why are you so very very very very interested in the 3p folk ? I understand it to some degree, but do an iso of yourself. You are a pretty heavy poster, and unless I missed something, you have referred to 3p in every post but three.
Maybe this doesn't matter, maybe town bozo would be just as focussed on 3p as scumbozo... But I think 3p are more a danger to scum than town. And you seem so very obsessed.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:09 pm
by bozotheclown
xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:22 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:16 am
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:04 am
Actually wait
It may be referring to the lynch, actually, unless I'm missing something here as well
I did not consider the lynch, that would be interesting since it would allow Dr. Jekyll to override the lynch and deflect the lynch to the second largest wagon by waiting until EOD to pick a target.
Why would it deflect to the second largest wagon? That's not what happened last game when Flavius had a bulletproof vest that protected him from the lynch (he probably wore it around his neck).
Good point, either way it gives Dr. Jekyll a lot of power if the day protection does apply to the lynch.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:09 pm
by dargorygel
While I typed, you did add a couple more non 3p posts... So there's that...
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:10 pm
by BionicMole
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:55 pm
BionicMole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:44 pm
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:29 pm
On Chaqa's claim, hmm
Don't quite see any motivation for him to claim at this point, unless he's VT stirring shit, but give me time to think a bit more
regarding it as a null thing for now as currently thinking more
I have been thinking about this for the last 10 minutes or so and I felt pretty good about Chaq's explanation until I ran across bozo's post saying Jekyll should claim (#61). Then I started to think that maybe this could be a ploy between scum teammates to throw us off in the early stages.
That would be some ballsy play from a scum!Chaqa. He's typically pretty cautious in games, bozo as well. Had it some other players this would be plausible, but considering characteristics of who is involved, doesn't feel like it. Not a bad idea though.
Fair enough! I still feel good about Chaqa's explanation, it feels legit and honest and I remember that bozo likes to push claims. Thanks for talking me down off the ledge lol
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:11 pm
by dargorygel
I don't like bunny's lurk persona. People get busy, I know... But he didn't give an explanation.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:14 pm
by dargorygel
@chaqa
Were you aware that we won't read who killed who? So that your alter egos choice won't really give us info, but will give scum data?
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:15 pm
by xorxes
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:11 pm
I don't like bunny's lurk persona. People get busy, I know... But he didn't give an explanation.
Very unexpected after last game, yes.
There's also the two new players that have not posted yet. I think Computer_Genius didn't even confirm he would be playing, so maybe he doesn't even know that the game has started.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:17 pm
by dargorygel
xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:15 pm
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:11 pm
I don't like bunny's lurk persona. People get busy, I know... But he didn't give an explanation.
Very unexpected after last game, yes.
There's also the two new players that have not posted yet. I think Computer_Genius didn't even confirm he would be playing, so maybe he doesn't even know that the game has started.
I assume computer genius confirmed privately. Jamie and worcej are usually on that stuff tightly.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:17 pm
by dargorygel
But bunny seems to be trying out a new meta. Why?
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:23 pm
by bozotheclown
Vaporwave wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:32 pm
Mr Hyde is controlled by some webdip player chosen by Mods, his target will be random, it could hit town or scum or Jack.
It won't be random, Mr. Hyde will be trying to kill town.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 pm
by damo666
Day 1 is always a yawn. Iwant something to happen.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 pm
by dargorygel
damo666 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 pm
Day 1 is always a yawn. Iwant something to happen.
Wadda you think of Chaqa's claim?
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:25 pm
by damo666
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:23 pm
Vaporwave wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:32 pm
Mr Hyde is controlled by some webdip player chosen by Mods, his target will be random, it could hit town or scum or Jack.
It won't be random, Mr. Hyde will be trying to kill town.
I think Vapor meant random in the sense of 'uninformed'.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:26 pm
by damo666
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 pm
Day 1 is always a yawn. Iwant something to happen.
Wadda you think of Chaqa's claim?
Not sure. Don't get it.
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:28 pm
by FlaviusAetius
can someone link me the voting website?
Re: MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:33 pm
by FlaviusAetius
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:27 pm
FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:24 pm
xorxes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:42 pm
Are you sure you meant to say that? Mr Hyde wins with the Mafia and loses if town wins.
oh
I wonder why Flav doesn't scan through the whole thread before he goes back through and makes his pronouncements....
I also see a bit of pot and kettle as he does exactly what he accuses xorx of doing...
because I want to experience it as it was meant to be experienced, if I look at everything with hindsight I'll get confused and probably have zero clue on what is true or what to say about what. or i'll end up going down a rabbit hole, if I read each comment then I get to look at everything the best way