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I agree Chaqa's claim D1 looks more like a VT play than a scum play, but I would have expected him to retract as soon as you claimed. His retracting only after it was clear he was going to lose the CC battle leaves me skeptical.ND wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:54 pmyeah your counter to what I said about the potential that this is VT Chaqa really is strong @Xorxes
I guess, and perhaps it is noteworthy to mention even in my longer post above, I have trouble articulating or even conceiving why a scum would do this though. If he is scum, he had to know that Jekyll wasn't going to make it long. Why choose that role to fake claim? Why put yourself in a position where the real Jekyll would counter pretty much guaranteed by end of day #3. Then when that does happen (me) he drops the CC? I guess, a possible answer is he is on Moriarity's team and he knows that if he continued the CC whether or not he got lynched first or I did that he was going to die and his team would then be at 1/3. Maybe he thought the best play was to backtrack and attempt to preserve his life to maintain his team's chance at success?
Damn, what a weakass readslist.damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:10 pmA summary of where I am, as much for myself as anyone else
1. damo Town
2. e.m.c ? edging towards non-Town
3. bozo ?
4. dargorygel townlean
5. xorxes townlean
6. Computer_Genius [bo] null
7. Chaqa VT
8. rdrivera2005 null
9. BunnyGo townlean
10. Vecna ?
11. Temasek22 ?
12. ND DrJ
13. frostwind scum
14. BionicMole ?
15. Hosuke ? (very quiet)
16. Kitsune townlean
17. DemRHK townlean
18. purplecow ?
19. FlaviusAetius probtown but hmmm
20. CmdrLikely ?
21. Vaporwave [Tom] ?
22. BobMcBob deadSCUM
23. KalelChase ?
I get the feeling you did not see that Chaqa has retracted his Jekyll claim, so now ND is unCCed Jekyll, and the question is if Chaqa fake claimed as mafia or fake claimed as town.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:59 pmNeither ND or Chaqa are town! They are town-liabilities. It's pedantic, but I want to clarify I'm not saying lynch ND "because he's annoying". I'm just prioritizing abitrarily. Maybe that does look not pro-town. I'm totally fine switching it.xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:54 pmEliminating a town doc save today when Hyde will not be active tonight makes zero sense. Also, ND has stopped his annoying persona after his claim, and in any case lynching town because they're annoying is not pro-town.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:49 pm
I believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.
##vote Chaqa
##CALL GM Keep posting vote counts and I’ll keep giving you +1Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:50 pmVote Count 2.5
Chaqa(9) - Vecna, Tom Bombadil, Temasek22, Kitsune, bozotheclown, xorxes, frostwind, CmdrLikely, BionicMole
frostwind(4) - DemonRHK, damo666, dargorygel, rdrivera2005
bo_sox48(1) - FlaviusAetius
ND(1) - ItsHosuke
xorxes(1) - BunnyGo
Unvoted(3) - Chaqa, purplecow, ND
Currently CHAQA will be lynched.
Day Two ends in 23 hours and 10 minutes.
@Flav, Please explain to me how deciding this will not help and why we should wait.FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:42 amI dont think we should need to decide today, its not going to help, and the real Dr. Jekyll still has one more day to do things, and is LIKELY going to be NKed this night anyways, their not wasting an NK to not end up offing Dr. Jekyll. I think its about time we move on, from this absolute nonsense, there is literally no reason for us to go after a possible Dr. Jekyll until DAY 3, so how about we all lay off and chill outfrostwind wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:17 amYeah, thought something was off lol. Since I'm moving out of my dormitory for Thanksgiving break and the general annoyingness of dynamic programming/heteronuclear molecular orbitals/integrals/number theory congruences they're all messing with my brain, probably why I missed it. tbh in other games of mafia generally my town playstyle is a lot quieter than my mafia one, since in general people think of mafia as trying to stay in the shadows and town as trying to confirm themselves.
Still a little confused about the votes for Chaqa. He's all but confirmed. Very confused as to whether ND is trying to get himself killed, I don't like his playstyle.
##VOTE ND
Also, if both of them are "lying guranteed", how is Jekyll "LIKELY going to be NKed this night anyways" when it would be like a 1/20 shot in the dark?FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:28 amI think their both mafia, and freaked out after their leader died, but maybe its different mafia, I dont really know, what I do know though is that Hyde wins with mafia, they would want to keep him a live, this is ridiciulous that they would target the doctor, these plebs are both lying guranteedTom Bombadil wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:50 amI'm confused. I don't understand why someone would fakeclaim Jekyll.
Why are you pretending that it was linked to the events that followed afterwards?
This type of stubborn voting likely also comes from town. No sense of scum preservation in it. Scum aint gonna call the near-confirmed town annoyed and continue to vote there after all this.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:49 pmI believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:30 pmExplain why you think lynching ND is a good option for today now that Chaqa has retracted his claim.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:05 pmI agree with lynching Frostwind, but not today. Like people have said, his voting habbits appear non-town. We should lynch ND or Chaqa on principal that it will get us somewhere. Conceivably, it could be bad to kill a doctor... but we'd also be killing a Night Kill PR. Also, we have another doctor already. Arguably having the doctors coordinate is tricky and not guaranteed. So due to possible overlap, I'd only consider it more like 1 ½ doctors.
Anyways, everyone saying don't lynch ND or Chaqa are looking scummy to me.
If you think we should still lynch you it makes me wonder why you retracted when you did. If you thought there was something to be learned from continuing your counterclaim, why not continue it all day for maximum affect, then when you flip town it would generate a lot of discussion.
Meh, or maybe he just doesnt quite get the dynamics. Still, the persistence feels pretty towny.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:59 pmNeither ND or Chaqa are town! They are town-liabilities. It's pedantic, but I want to clarify I'm not saying lynch ND "because he's annoying". I'm just prioritizing abitrarily. Maybe that does look not pro-town. I'm totally fine switching it.xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:54 pmEliminating a town doc save today when Hyde will not be active tonight makes zero sense. Also, ND has stopped his annoying persona after his claim, and in any case lynching town because they're annoying is not pro-town.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:49 pm
I believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.
##vote Chaqa
I'm not pretending any such thing. As soon as you voted, I asked what were you doing because it made very little sense. I still don't understand why you thought Chaqa's claim was fake before ND counterclaimed him.
Probably true.Vecna wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:23 amThis type of stubborn voting likely also comes from town. No sense of scum preservation in it. Scum aint gonna call the near-confirmed town annoyed and continue to vote there after all this.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:49 pmI believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.
It sounds to me like CmdrLikely had not yet seen than Chaqa had retracted.Vecna wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:25 amMeh, or maybe he just doesnt quite get the dynamics. Still, the persistence feels pretty towny.CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:59 pmNeither ND or Chaqa are town! They are town-liabilities. It's pedantic, but I want to clarify I'm not saying lynch ND "because he's annoying". I'm just prioritizing abitrarily. Maybe that does look not pro-town. I'm totally fine switching it.
##vote Chaqa
I voted him mainly for his D1 behavior surrounding the Bob wagon.xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:46 pmSo his voting for you out of the gates today before ND had made his claim does not bother you at all?
Yes, with no consideration for his claim, which suggests you thought his claim was fake.
I would like to see an answer to this as well.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:24 amIf you think we should still lynch you it makes me wonder why you retracted when you did. If you thought there was something to be learned from continuing your counterclaim, why not continue it all day for maximum affect, then when you flip town it would generate a lot of discussion.
In Vecna’s defense (blegh) he did explain himself. Are you being lazy or not really doing iso and throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:28 amThe question is why did you vote for Chaqa when he was the unCCed Jekyll on D2 when Hyde did not have a NK again until N3?
Vecna wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:14 amDamn, what a weakass readslist.damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:10 pmA summary of where I am, as much for myself as anyone else
1. damo Town
2. e.m.c ? edging towards non-Town
3. bozo ?
4. dargorygel townlean
5. xorxes townlean
6. Computer_Genius [bo] null
7. Chaqa VT
8. rdrivera2005 null
9. BunnyGo townlean
10. Vecna ?
11. Temasek22 ?
12. ND DrJ
13. frostwind scum
14. BionicMole ?
15. Hosuke ? (very quiet)
16. Kitsune townlean
17. DemRHK townlean
18. purplecow ?
19. FlaviusAetius probtown but hmmm
20. CmdrLikely ?
21. Vaporwave [Tom] ?
22. BobMcBob deadSCUM
23. KalelChase ?
More of a note to self than a readlist (too early for that).
Why are you leaning town on Xorxes?
I usually do.
How come you have no opinion on me while youre normally extremely opinionated about me?
Am I? Ok twist my arm …. townlean
Why is Rdrivera a null and not a ?
Dunno. Not deliberate or significant.