MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Looking at Frost

The majority of the explanation for voting him is based off of his voting patterns, gut feeling, and "just coz there's no better wagon, this seems good enough".

I don't like this, as it means that despite his lead, most of the people (with a few exceptions) on there aren't solid with a scumread, and quite open to jumping off in the next hour before EOD onto someone else that builds up. Opportunistic. Voting for the sake of looking like they have a vote. This is also rather out of character for several of the more experienced players. Perhaps it's due to the setup with two scum teams, but many players I'd expect to have attempted pushes are instead floating around. We've literally had no counter-wagons except for Chaqa, who does not really count. Bleh.

However, actually looking at Frost's posts, it's understandable why he's made top wagon, and stayed there. On the low-posting, low-content of mainly excuses, and as said above, suspicious voting pattern. His most substantial post is from analyzing and ranking the dangers of the scum teams (mechs), and the majority of his reads come from "vibes", without backing. He's experienced enough to know how that comes off, so

I tried to start a counter wagon. Should I try again? ##VOTE EMC

oi, hands off my EMC

[BunnyGo]

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Secondly, I've mostly been involved more in live games of mafia, not games that take several days for each phase to occur. The combination of these two aspects have made it so that my votes might seem scummy. I think if you look at my content overall, they're more like someone who's pretty confused as to what's going on, rather than someone who is deliberately trying to play as scum. For example, in the first day, I voted for AFK Computer_Genius. After a bit, I realized that was a horrible lynch, and switched to someone who was being supported by someone with, as far as I could tell, strong town vibes.
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[BunnyGo]

Looking at Frost

The majority of the explanation for voting him is based off of his voting patterns, gut feeling, and "just coz there's no better wagon, this seems good enough".

I don't like this, as it means that despite his lead, most of the people (with a few exceptions) on there aren't solid with a scumread, and quite open to jumping off in the next hour before EOD onto someone else that builds up. Opportunistic. Voting for the sake of looking like they have a vote. This is also rather out of character for several of the more experienced players. Perhaps it's due to the setup with two scum teams, but many players I'd expect to have attempted pushes are instead floating around. We've literally had no counter-wagons except for Chaqa, who does not really count. Bleh.

However, actually looking at Frost's posts, it's understandable why he's made top wagon, and stayed there. On the low-posting, low-content of mainly excuses, and as said above, suspicious voting pattern. His most substantial post is from analyzing and ranking the dangers of the scum teams (mechs), and the majority of his reads come from "vibes", without backing. He's experienced enough to know how that comes off, so

I tried to start a counter wagon. Should I try again? ##VOTE EMC

oi, hands off my EMC

Oh? Do tell...

[BunnyGo]

All that said, I'd love for somebody to talk about the other people I scum lean or ISOd or just any good other reads.

I could be convinced to vote Chaq, but don't really want to.

[CmdrLikely]

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Secondly, I've mostly been involved more in live games of mafia, not games that take several days for each phase to occur. The combination of these two aspects have made it so that my votes might seem scummy. I think if you look at my content overall, they're more like someone who's pretty confused as to what's going on, rather than someone who is deliberately trying to play as scum. For example, in the first day, I voted for AFK Computer_Genius. After a bit, I realized that was a horrible lynch, and switched to someone who was being supported by someone with, as far as I could tell, strong town vibes.
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To be fair, Town of Salem is a realtime game iirc. I agree it's wishy washy though.

[Vecna]

Maybe we should speedwagon Temasek

[xorxes]

Looking at Frost

The majority of the explanation for voting him is based off of his voting patterns, gut feeling, and "just coz there's no better wagon, this seems good enough".

There's also the "I'm such a newbie I don't know what I'm doing" attitude, and the "lynch me if you must" attitude (shared with Chaqa).

I don't like this, as it means that despite his lead, most of the people (with a few exceptions) on there aren't solid with a scumread, and quite open to jumping off in the next hour before EOD onto someone else that builds up.
Opportunistic. Voting for the sake of looking like they have a vote. This is also rather out of character for several of the more experienced players. Perhaps it's due to the setup with two scum teams, but many players I'd expect to have attempted pushes are instead floating around. We've literally had no counter-wagons except for Chaqa, who does not really count. Bleh.

It would be better if you preached by example instead of just moaning about it. The first half of the day was pretty much destroyed by Chaqa, whether intentionally or not. I'm not entirely unhappy with a frost lynch given his reaction, and same for Chaqa.

However, actually looking at Frost's posts, it's understandable why he's made top wagon, and stayed there. On the low-posting, low-content of mainly excuses, and as said above, suspicious voting pattern. His most substantial post is from analyzing and ranking the dangers of the scum teams (mechs), and the majority of his reads come from "vibes", without backing. He's experienced enough to know how that comes off, so

Yes, that post was really weird.

[purplecow]

Oh, one last thing:

Some scum leans of mine from day 1 that haven't been cleared up one way or the other (feel free to pick up my BunnyBaton (TM) and run with them)

1) PurpleCow -- I don't like him...I think he's scummy noob

Some example of something scummy?

I would like to know this too so I may be able to defend myself.

This may be a bad time but I would like to know what you think of me.

[Vecna]

Yeah, this game was clearly designed to be thinned out quickly. 21 players is a big number to have good picture of the gamestate and two mafia teams and 1,5 3rd party floating around aint making things much easier.

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote Temasek

[purplecow]

Will bo_sox come on and vote? Or are we getting an inactive 2 days in a row?

[Vecna]

##vote Temasek

[xorxes]

Yeah, this game was clearly designed to be thinned out quickly. 21 players is a big number to have good picture of the gamestate and two mafia teams and 1,5 3rd party floating around aint making things much easier.

There's a good number of lurkers as well that don't make things easier (bo_sox, Kitsune, Kalel, Hosuke, Temasek, purple, Cmndr, dargo... I have very little to judge them by. All remaining scum could be there for all we know. Of those, I think Hosuke is town and Temasek may be scum, but based on a very flimsy theory that I need more from them to validate.

[Tom Bombadil]

join us xorx. Peer pressure

[BunnyGo]

Some example of something scummy?

I would like to know this too so I may be able to defend myself.

This may be a bad time but I would like to know what you think of me.

I think enough to want to get a purple wagon going ##VOTE PURPLE

[Vecna]

worse if all the active players get killed by the onslaught of 3kpn and that group remains

[xorxes]

##VOTE Temasek

[BunnyGo]

explain the temasek wagon to me? I have to go deal with kids, will try to sign on with 10 minutes to go

[ND]

Frost is probably a decent vote. It's 100% possible he is mafia hiding under the 'woo is me' and 'i am new and made an oopsie' you know what I mean? Totally possible.

It could also be that he is just new and getting a lot of pressure and doesn't know what to do. Aka new town.

So take it as you will. Not saying Chaqa is better. Chaqa is always someone that will have to be watched. If you know what I mean.

I do think based on what I am seeing, people like Bionic and Bo need to get some pressure though. Same for EMC, really, you can't just miss a 48 hour phase and come in during the last hour and expect to sweep everything away, sorry man. You know that's true.

All that being said, let's see how it turns out I guess.

##vote Frost

[xorxes]

explain the temasek wagon to me? I have to go deal with kids, will try to sign on with 10 minutes to go

I caught him fishing.