MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[purplecow]

Also I'm still not too sure why Flav thinks I'm town so much.

[bozotheclown]

Tom 'knew' you were town bozo? Where did Tom say that?

He implied it by never scum reading me. In fact, he barely mentioned me at all, which is why I believe he knew I was cleared.

[purplecow]

I don't know much about Tom other than the gambit he did in this game and the thing emc said. Would he usually read everyone?

[bozotheclown]

Vecna also starts trying to set up my lynch N7, and apparently shares an unexplained certainty with Flavius that purplecow is town:

Sorry Cmdr, good game.

So Flav - loosing someone from the team was worth the info we got based on your posts we have a clear direction. So now it's between Yav & Bozo? Who would be your number 3? I'll do some ISOs on the three you give me to post right before EoN.

Does all the fighting between Bozo and Purple mean they're not on the same team, or could it be bussing?

One of the two is confirmed to be scum now Kalel.

Also, this level of cluelessness really makes me think youre probably not scum with whoever it is from the two of them (bozo). Either that or youre putting on quite the acting performance.

Town:
Purple, flavius, Vecna, RHK, ND

Scum:
Bozo

Scumpool for the remaining 2:
Kalel, Yavuz, Tem

Im strongest on my Flavius townread. Not going to be voting to lynch him unless something really weird happens this game. Dude has consistently oozed town all throughout the game. People say he played like this as scum as well, but I just do not see how anyone can display this much blatant and brutal honesty so consistently, while also having all the true failing town factors (no offence meant).

The purplecow townread is much more based on gut, but im never lynching that slot over Bozo here.

[bozotheclown]

I don't know much about Tom other than the gambit he did in this game and the thing emc said. Would he usually read everyone?

I think Tom is generally considered a top mafia player. He said he did not have a lot of time to put into this game, but I am fairly certain he gave reads on everyone else in this game at some point.

[bozotheclown]

Here is Flavius doing the same thing as Temasek D7, setting up my lynch D8 while still voting for CmdrLikely:

If cmdr isnt town then we lynch bozo
##end

[bozotheclown]

On D7, the real female VTs had a 2 in 4 chance of hitting scum in the other female VTs claims, but only a 1 in 3 chance of hitting a scum in the male VT claims. However, Temasek and Flavius were only looking in the male VT claims not only for D7, but D8.

[bozotheclown]

I really don't see how purple could be mafia.

Also, GG ND

Is that all you have today? If you are sure I am scum, who do you think are the other 2?

[FlaviusAetius]

Feels very much like a >66% chance.

And if were gonna fuck that up, it doesnt really matter if we do it today or tomorrow.

RHK might still have a travel ticket left

Doesnt matter though. As soon as we mislynch they just kill a VT instead of RHK and win on the spot

I’m not following what are you saying

[FlaviusAetius]

Can you make an argument why purplecow is a male VT and I am not? No one voting for me has explained to me why they think I am scum. Even purplecow is not trying to convince anyone I am not town, I believe he is letting his teammates lead the push instead.

Same argument at Cmdr,
Tom thought purple is town, after his interaction with him
And you are the alternative to purple
This isn’t a very complicated lynch, and the only evidence you presented is something you were totally fine with when he said it but then days later when it’s you versus him you have a all of a sudden big problem with it

Tom thought purplecow's reaction was OK, but his read was not exactly strong:

So to get ahead of any ideas of mass claim....


I didn’t scan purple. It’s our job now to figure out the reactions. Three people knew I was lying because I was roleblocked. For what it’s worth, I got a towny reaction from purple from this. The sketchiest reaction is from DemonRHK who looks to be either coaching scumbuddies by saying “why weren’t you roleblocked” or just making a really bad comment as town.

By the way, his next post was this:

##vote Flavius

So, Tom may have thought purplecow was town, but he knew I was town, and he suspected you were not town. You are selectively choosing Tom's reads to justify your vote.

Other than confessing, there was nothing purplecow could have done to give away his alignment. I did not think purplecow's reaction was alignment indicative at the time, but his self vote was one thing I questioned when comparing CmdrLikely and purplecow. Now, looking back knowing purplecow is scum, I can see that his trying to suggest Tom was scum indicated he believed Tom could have had a guilty scan on him, where a town would have realized it was just a reaction test, because there was no reason to doubt that Tom was the detective.

First of all I’ve thought purplecow was town for a long long while, now that is a good point that you made
I still think it’s sketch that you didn’t bring it up at the time but let me reread that whole exchange
I still get the idea that Tom thought purple was town, but maybe he missed what you said, and that wrong Demon read...

[FlaviusAetius]

I believe the scum team is;
Bozo, Yavu and Temasek

What are your reasons? Does your assumption that I am scum make you think yavuzovic and Temasek are scum?

You obviously haven’t been reading because you haven’t seen me this entire game going after yavu’s slot, there are zero reasons I have ever stated that connect you and yavu
(Also zero reasons that connect yavu and purple)

[FlaviusAetius]

Why not Kalel?

Yea Im not sure about him either

So you have listed everyone except purplecow and DemonRHK as your scum suspects.

I think one of them are the third scum, I’m just not gonna say who because I don’t want mafia to know who to kill

[FlaviusAetius]

Tom 'knew' you were town bozo? Where did Tom say that?

He implied it by never scum reading me. In fact, he barely mentioned me at all, which is why I believe he knew I was cleared.

That doesn’t mean he thought you were town he could of thought you were NAI,

[bozotheclown]

Same argument at Cmdr,
Tom thought purple is town, after his interaction with him
And you are the alternative to purple
This isn’t a very complicated lynch, and the only evidence you presented is something you were totally fine with when he said it but then days later when it’s you versus him you have a all of a sudden big problem with it

Tom thought purplecow's reaction was OK, but his read was not exactly strong:

So to get ahead of any ideas of mass claim....


I didn’t scan purple. It’s our job now to figure out the reactions. Three people knew I was lying because I was roleblocked. For what it’s worth, I got a towny reaction from purple from this. The sketchiest reaction is from DemonRHK who looks to be either coaching scumbuddies by saying “why weren’t you roleblocked” or just making a really bad comment as town.

By the way, his next post was this:

##vote Flavius

So, Tom may have thought purplecow was town, but he knew I was town, and he suspected you were not town. You are selectively choosing Tom's reads to justify your vote.

Other than confessing, there was nothing purplecow could have done to give away his alignment. I did not think purplecow's reaction was alignment indicative at the time, but his self vote was one thing I questioned when comparing CmdrLikely and purplecow. Now, looking back knowing purplecow is scum, I can see that his trying to suggest Tom was scum indicated he believed Tom could have had a guilty scan on him, where a town would have realized it was just a reaction test, because there was no reason to doubt that Tom was the detective.

First of all I’ve thought purplecow was town for a long long while, now that is a good point that you made
I still think it’s sketch that you didn’t bring it up at the time but let me reread that whole exchange
I still get the idea that Tom thought purple was town, but maybe he missed what you said, and that wrong Demon read...

I did not bring it up at the time because I did not think it was a strong indication of alignment, and I was trying to get the last Moriarty lynched, who at the time I thought was DemonRHK.

[FlaviusAetius]

Here is Flavius doing the same thing as Temasek D7, setting up my lynch D8 while still voting for CmdrLikely:

If cmdr isnt town then we lynch bozo
##end

I said this multiple times(and btw you didn’t have a problem with it then, why now?) that cmdr is scum because he’s the scummier than you and purple, if I had to choose between everyone you three wouldn’t be anywhere near my mind, but here we are either you or purple are telling the truth, let’s find out who

[purplecow]

Flav let's say for argument's sake we lynch you today and you turn up as a VT.
There would be 7 players left: 3 mafia, 3 VTs and Demon.
If they kill a VT then its 3 mafia versus 3 town which means no one can be lynched.

[FlaviusAetius]

RHK might still have a travel ticket left

Doesnt matter though. As soon as we mislynch they just kill a VT instead of RHK and win on the spot

I’m not following what are you saying

Ok I think I do now it only works though if Demon has a travel ticket left, and so I think it’s best we just assume he does let’s force the scum to give us clears
##unend
##vote yavu

[FlaviusAetius]

Flav let's say for argument's sake we lynch you today and you turn up as a VT.
There would be 7 players left: 3 mafia, 3 VTs and Demon.
If they kill a VT then its 3 mafia versus 3 town which means no one can be lynched.

and?

[FlaviusAetius]

It’s we lynch or we lose, I understand that

[bozotheclown]

I believe the scum team is;
Bozo, Yavu and Temasek

What are your reasons? Does your assumption that I am scum make you think yavuzovic and Temasek are scum?

You obviously haven’t been reading because you haven’t seen me this entire game going after yavu’s slot, there are zero reasons I have ever stated that connect you and yavu
(Also zero reasons that connect yavu and purple)

My question was what are your reasons for thinking that is the scum team. I know you have been scum reading yavuzovic. Are you saying those three scum reads are completely independent of each other? Is your read that purplecow is town stronger than your read that yavuzovic is scum?