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Hey Vash. Why are you voting tham? Seeming off is not adequate for reasoning. Please explain.

##vote bo_sox

@Mean:

If it seems like Balki doesn't gain traction, who do you want to see lynched?

I feel like lots of people have looked at the Balki/MLQ interaction and just said "looks like Town vs. Town." We've heard that from several people. But it is such a superficial assertion, without any meat at all.

I'll tell you, just from a numbers perspective, it's somewhat unlikely that Balki vs. MLQ is Town versus Town. We still have 3 scum among the unclears. So if you think two of them are both Town, you should really put some thought to that and analyze it.

Are people reading my arguments about MLQ, or are you just seeing a lot of text and thinking, "Eh, looks like a lot of words, probably Town v. Town"?

We need deeper analysis and more thought.

I want peoples opinions (doesn't have to be long w/reasoning. Just tell me scurmead, null, or townread) on the following players:

Balki
bozo
Mean
Vash

Tom, I'm still not convinced on reedeer and bozo. Balki's post where he summarized the game for yoyo and said bozo is town because brain gave an inno scan on him when he was faking cop is utter nonsense. Brain was a vt, he knew nothing for certain and gave a bs read, it doesn't even mean brain town read him necessarily. Another oddly scummy move from balki. I'd also say yoyo is suspect but I don't want to lynch him right after he just joined the game.

I still think the most scummy person here is balki, his defense just means he's thought about what he'd say to justify his actions before he took them, I'd expect it from him, he is good scum. The shear number of instances where balki looks potentially scummy is huge, I don't know how the only person who is even considering voting for him with me is foxcastle.

Even if balki is scum, and then one of bozo or reedeer is scum (I'm assuming it is unlikely to be both because that would be too easy), that means that there is a deep agent among those most are considering town. I'd guess vash or tham if I had to, but that's for a later time I think, in case I get lynched and you want my opinion for the future.

@Mean-

the bozo point is not whether or not that brain townread him. Its the fact that if bozo was town, scum would know that brain was not cop and would not have killed him (which I know you are skeptical scum would change the nk like that, but I agree with the others that this is a likely scenario).

Balki is on my radar - don't you worry. I know he is silky, and a D1 lynch of scum often means that there were several scum wagons. And we know that ND was town, so...

that should read if bozo were *scum* ...

bozo could also be godfather in this scenario, as scum would still think brain was cop with an inno scan on bozo.

And with godfather 33% of the remaining mafia, maybe we should stop overweighting the fact that bozo was brain's made up inno scan, and focus more on his voting record.

@Mean: If your sure bozo is town, why did you pressure vote him earlier today?

@tham: I've played 2 games in the last 10 and GMed 1. I was modkilled in both games. I did play in 18-23 tho.

My scumread is still bozo. I've stated my case on him, and still feel good about it. RD is still up there, and I prefer to see one of those two strung up.

My vote analysis points to tham, bozo, Balki, and Mean as scummy.

Welcome yoyo. Please don't be a full 3.0 of darg and meme.

I think the lynch needs to be between bozo, rd, Balki, or Mean.

Sorry, I'm thinking out loud here.

@Balki - Surely you are a smart guy. You tell everyone that all the time. Do you think bozo is surely town based on brain's inno scan alone? Has he done anything else remotely towny?

Or, even assuming scum had time to think about it and decided to change their vote to brain. If bozo is scum, they could have just decided "oh, now we can kill brainbomb and it makes bozo look good and kills a prominent town person even if he isn't cop, win-win." It literally tells us nothing, and I'm not really wanting to build a case on bozo, but I want to cut through the bullshit that this theory is.

Nice that balki's on your radar tom, doesn't help much when you're vote is on me and you made no effort to question him and just trolled me and asked questions to me like "why did you try to kill me last night, mean?" You're by far the worst town clear we have.

Demon, I voted bozo to give him pressure and make him talk. He talked, he seemed more towny to me in that moment, and then I reread balki and felt very confident in his scumminess. I'm at slight scum on bozo atm because his record and a few things he's done that seem scummy, but it cooled slightly after he started talking, but I asked him to keep talking and he hasn't really done that so idk.

My votes not on you - but thanks for insulting me anyway...

Your first point is a valid, interesting one though.

Also, lighten up. Christ.

Going to head into work now, will try to check in at about the hour till EoD mark

Tom, oh my bad, still stand by the remark though

I hope you be back for EOD, but it is possible that I am not. ##vote Bo

I think that bo is the most likely scum from the vet pile.

I’m sorry for not posting more, I’m in class.

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:29 pm

Sorry, I'm thinking out loud here.

@Balki - Surely you are a smart guy. You tell everyone that all the time. Do you think bozo is surely town based on brain's inno scan alone? Has he done anything else remotely towny?

Damn it! I do not tell people I am smart. They just read what I write and know it for a fact.

My read on Bozo comes mostly from that fake brainbomb scan. I have to say -- I've found it difficult to follow his logic in this game, and I have generally disagreed with the way he sees the game. But that's not really alignment indicative. Without the cop scan, I'd have Bozo as scummier than Rdrivera and Foxy, not as scummy as Bo or MLQ. So, certainly in lynch range.

But I think the fake cop scan is a big deal. I really do. You're right to point out that he could be godfather, but I think that's the only role he could be. For that reason, he could be essentially cleared by a GF flip, and I would not lynch him until LYLO.

When we can narrow players down in this way, all that info allows us to solve the puzzle if these guys are alive at the end.