Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[thamrick]

Or you could take your time and decide what the best course of action for you and your scumteam is moving forward. That's fine too.

[DemonRHK]

[Cue Music]

Well I just heard the claim today~
It seems the reads on me are gonna change~
I point out the dumb, Yav's gonna pay~
The tears of throw stream down his face~

With scum wide open~
Under the deadline~
Welcome to the lynch~
We'll show you to the God QT~
With scum wide open~
With scum wide open~

Well I don't know if Yav even reads~
His scumbuddies, be facepalming~
I'll sigh in relief, We'll take a baddies' life~
They done fucked up, put scum to the knife~

With scum wide open~
Under the deadline~
Welcome to the lynch~
We'll show you to the God QT~
With scum wide open~
Now the game has changed~
We'll show you clears~
We'll show you everything~

[Maniac]

##PLAY ---> Dustin Lynch, Mind Reader

[DemonRHK]

[Cue Music]

How'd you manage to fuck up a claim like that~
How'd you manage to make the one read that'd go wrong~
How'd you know that that over-lurking~
Was gonna get you caught, immortalized in song~
Yav it's like you don't keep up real good~
You stopped following the topic at all~
Yeah, the way it's gonna go tonight~
I hope I'm saved, or I'm gonna fall, cause'~

They said Mean was a fine, They said Mean was a fine leader~
But that's not been true at all~
Jamie hedged it all and Rj was a time stealer~
And now Yav won't go far~
You shoulda knew that case was gonna melt down~
You aren't flappin' you lips, you done fucked now~
Yavvy when you put your claim against mine~
You must be out your goddamn mind~

[ND]

I have caught up.

I don’t know why anyone town aligned would shoot Ezio. That may have been a scum shot, but that also raises problems. Why would scum shoot Ezio? PR hunting? I don’t know it just doesn’t make sense to me either way really.
I see Yavuzovic’s claim on Page 104.

I don’t know what to tell you guys. My role is Vanilla Town. I am not a Power role and I am not scum.

I guess it’s possible I am a miller and Yav did get a guilty result. That being the case it is so risky to vote him now, I would not advise anyone to vote Yav today. It also kind of explains his tunnel play on me too. It’s also possible that he is scum and decided to do this, but I don’t know why he would as scum. 1) He hasn’t attracted much pressure and 2) It’s not like I have been super active. Occam’s razor is that he is cop, this is a true result, and I came up guilty.

If I am not lynched or shot then there will always be a lingering doubt about me and this situation. The scum will have outed Yav anyway so they will NK him now or target him for RB at a minimum. We have hit two scum so we do have some advantages here and a bit of a lead it’s not the end of the world if I get shot or lynched.

I don’t know what to tell you guys. I think optimal play is to remove me now and try to save Yav or keep him in play the best we can. Then mine the game for connections to RJ and Jamie for the rest of the scum team.

When Meme lurks like this it usually means he is scum and I am still leaning scum on Bo. MLQ could also be scum. Not sure on the rest. I think a lot of the arguments and back and forth's I have seen are town v town though.

[ND]

##VOTE Captainmeme

Just to get my vote in.

[DemonRHK]

Uh...ok.

ND completely skipped what I've been saying the last couple pages?

Did...did we get 2 here?

[thamrick]

Thanks ND. I believe you, but I still think best play is to shoot you (assuming we still have a gun). It looks like you agree, so thanks for being a team player.

Either way, we've sorted out who is lying between Yav/RHK.

[Maniac]

This needless claiming is not good

Says Tom 'I AM THE COP' Bombadil

[ND]

That's fine I think optimal play is to kill me. I feel uncomfortable about me being present in an end game situation with this over my head.

[ND]

I will respond to rhk in a second

[ND]

Yeah I see RHK. It doesn't change much though.

If you are telling the truth about your claim then Yav is lying about N1. My death can help your claim and we get Yav out of it. Or my death proves that Yav is telling the truth.

I am not sure if I am seeing the downside to me dying. It looks like either way the town gets info and a lead on the next member of the scumteam?

[bo_sox48]

##VOTE yavuzovic

Considering that yav has proven his utter and total uselessness in a couple of games straight now, it wouldn't really shock me if he is lying. There is no motivation to claim the way he did as the actual cop, and there is a very minor motivation to claim the way he did as scum, which is to draw out the cop after the watcher has already been exposed. If he's the cop, RHK is lying, and we lynch/shoot him. If he's not the cop, RHK is most definitely not lying, because there's no way that he would put himself out there like that if he weren't the watcher.

ND's alignment doesn't give us much information about these two unless ND flips miller. If he flips scum, it's quite possible that yavuz unwisely bussed, and if he flips town it only confirms what we can otherwise confirm without killing someone who is probably town. Given that I don't believe that yav is the real cop at the moment and that this wasn't a terribly hard conclusion to come to, wasting ND to just open up the can of worms that yavuz already opened himself seems dumb. I don't know why ND thinks it would be optimal to kill him right now in the name of information we don't actually get from his death.

I get the reasoning Bo, but I also feel like our PR's have been pretty exposed today.

That's even more reason not to go after ND. I'm not sure what your motivation for getting ND is unless you're just trying to bus your teammate.

[rdrivera2005]

This is so fucking weird.

##Ask GM - If scum stalked the Miller, they will know he is Miller or it will report as Vanilla, it's not clear in the setup.

[DemonRHK]

I have some thoughts. But they need to wait until Maniac decides on the gunshot and it happens.

[ND]

I just read what Bo posted. I just don't know. It's so risky to vote Yav now that he unCCed claiming cop. If he does have a guilty scan on me then I am a miller. That means he is telling the truth/I am telling the truth. If Yav flips scum or something then that validates RHK's claim. But, is it worth taking a risk on and voting Yav who could be the cop? I just don't know. If I flip VT and not miller then that would also confirm Yav as scum. Again, I don't know what the best move is here.

[Maniac]

perhaps the anomaly is resolved if the COP doesn't visit only investigates as described in his role description

[bo_sox48]

Yav already used up his ability if he's the cop, ND. If we get the hooker, even if it's you, the nurse will protect yav, but he'll be RBed. If we don't get the hooker, the hooker will RB him. He is a VT with extra information at this stage, nothing more. That's why his claim sucks.

[DemonRHK]

Says visit right in the Cop's role PM.

[Maniac]

@DemonRHK - I'm not going to shoot anyone today. I think a lynch is better. Shooting and lynching a randomm runs risk of us hitting GS or Nurse, or exposing them.