Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[RagingIke297]

D3 Vote Count 4.0

ND (7): yavuzovic, Maniac, thamrick, reedeer1, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, bozotheclown
yavuzovic (7): DemonRHK, bo_sox48, Tom Bombadil, ND, Balki Bartokomous, VashtaNeurotic, MeanLaQueefa

Not voted (1): captainmeme

End votes (1/8): DemonRHK

captainmeme has not made the required two posts.

Currently NO ONE is set to be lynched!

You have 40 minutes remaining.

[Foxcastle]

And Mean has tied it, with only Captainmeme's vote outstanding...

[thamrick]

@Balki, I think we will resolve fakeclaiming if Yavuz or ND are lynched, but if we choose wrong, I'd prefer to lynch ND with his VT/Miller claim over Yavuz with his Cop claim.

+1

[Foxcastle]

Balki: How do you assess the risk of losing the Cop versus losing a VT/Miller?

[Foxcastle]

Balki: How do you assess the risk of losing the Cop versus losing a VT/Miller?

UGH. I meant MEAN... That question is for Mean. Balki, please disregard.

[thamrick]

I'm still baffled that Ezio's shooter hasn't come out. They're going to be outed tomorrow night anyways. The longer they stay hidden the more suspicious it looks. They'd have to hope they're lynching the GS right now.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki - how can we set up our PRs to protect each other without rendering them useless or leaving at least one exposed to NK?

If you feel like this will give information to scum by discussing it, feel free to not. I'm assuming they can do basic case breakdown though.

I'm expressing my doubt, especially given that we have a risk of losing Cop or Watcher through this plan, and that there's a mafia RB still. Even if we still have all 3, there isn't a way that at least one of them isn't vulnerable. Go through all the scenarios. We also can't openly discuss which order we're going to use our PRs to protect each other or scum will be able to find the counter. And we'd likely have to out all of those PRs just so they'd know who to cover.

While I agree ND flipping scum/miller doesn't make the RHK/Yav question crystal clear, it does shed light onto it.

If ND flips scum (first of all, stop. Great! We've found a scum!) or miller, RHK is likely scum. Even if he's town and we shoot/mislynch him the next day, we still know Yav is scum. He also would get an extra night of being able to watch.

If we don't flip ND now, no matter the outcome, we're still not sure what ND is.
-If we lynch Yav and he's Cop, ND still could be miller or scum. RHK is lying so we lynch him.
-If we lynch Yav and he's not Cop, it doesn't answer whether ND is scum or not. RHK could still be scum though unlikely. We still don't know ND's alignment.

-If we lynch RHK and he's Watcher, we know Yav lied. Lynch him. Doesn't tell us anything about ND.
-If RHK isn't Watcher, we believe Yav and kill ND, but he still could be miller.

*I see lots of posts since I started this one. I'll read and add to this. But tl;dr I believe Balki is wrong because we can't protect all our PRs and shouldn't out them anyways

Welp, I started to spell this out, but I wasn't factoring in the RB. You're right, secrecy is pretty darn important until we've sacked the Hooker.

I may be leaning back towards lynching ND. Let me think some more.

[Foxcastle]

I hope everyone on the Yavuz wagon has gone and checked their record on handling un-cc'd PR claims... If he flips Cop, it will look especially suspicious if you were defending previous PR claims but are willing to lynch Yavuz...

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think that it's true that we can't count on Watcher coming forward to save Yavuz if there is a Real Watcher out there who knows Yavuz is true cop.

For that reason, ##Vote ND

Let's keep our PRs and possible PRs alive as long as possible and let time sort this out. We're winning, and time is on our side.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I hope everyone on the Yavuz wagon has gone and checked their record on handling un-cc'd PR claims... If he flips Cop, it will look especially suspicious if you were defending previous PR claims but are willing to lynch Yavuz...

This is a dumb comment. Both of these PRs are essentially CCed. They cannot both be real.

[RagingIke297]

D3 Vote Count 4.0

ND (8): yavuzovic, Maniac, thamrick, reedeer1, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, bozotheclown, Balki Bartokomous
yavuzovic (6): DemonRHK, bo_sox48, Tom Bombadil, ND, VashtaNeurotic, MeanLaQueefa

Not voted (1): captainmeme

End votes (1/8): DemonRHK

captainmeme has not made the required two posts.

Currently ND is set to be lynched!

You have 29 minutes remaining.

[Foxcastle]

Yeah, I concede that. I guess it was a dumb comment.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Yeah, I concede that. I guess it was a dumb comment.

Nothing personal.

[DemonRHK]

Yavu is scum. They've scanned ND. They know how he is going to flip. This isn't rocket science.

[DemonRHK]

Or it's the bus of the fucking year.

[Foxcastle]

Yeah, I concede that. I guess it was a dumb comment.

Nothing personal.

I didn't take it personally, you were right :) \end{LoveFest}

[DemonRHK]

D3 Vote Count 4.0

ND (8): yavuzovic, Maniac, thamrick, reedeer1, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, bozotheclown, Balki Bartokomous
yavuzovic (6): DemonRHK, bo_sox48, Tom Bombadil, ND, VashtaNeurotic, MeanLaQueefa

Not voted (1): captainmeme

End votes (1/8): DemonRHK

captainmeme has not made the required two posts.

Currently ND is set to be lynched!

You have 29 minutes remaining.

See this shit right here?

That's why I told you to fucking shoot me.

[thamrick]

@RHK - I agree that's a likely scenario. Are you saying we should risk losing Cop to verify it though? I'm fairly sure ND is gonna flip Miller. You're likely to get shot tomorrow (unless you give verifiably true Watcher info to clear you). That'll determine whether Yav gets shot/lynched.

[DemonRHK]

@RHK - I agree that's a likely scenario. Are you saying we should risk losing Cop to verify it though? I'm fairly sure ND is gonna flip Miller. You're likely to get shot tomorrow (unless you give verifiably true Watcher info to clear you). That'll determine whether Yav gets shot/lynched.

I know I'm the goddamn watcher. It's not a risk from where I'm sitting, of course it's worth it to hang Yavu.

Every person on the ND wagon: You are almost all sure he is town, AND YOU ARE STILL HANGING HIM.

[Balki Bartokomous]

See this shit right here?

That's why I told you to fucking shoot me.

Seriously, if DemonRHK is lying, it's some of the best scum acting I've seen.

I'm betting the scum team is Yavuz, MLQ, captainmeme.