Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[bo_sox48]

"Why is calling for gun claims not scummy?"

Well, for starters, brainbomb isn't the gunsmith, as you so kindly made clear yourself. If you believe he is, then you are contradicting yourself, but that doesn't really matter - I don't believe he is. As such, there is no gunsmith to confirm or clear unless the actual gunsmith chose to out the person they gunned. Given that there are three guns left out of four to be given out, that is absurdly stupid. It would not be in the gunsmith's best interest to risk losing those three guns by claiming now in order to clear themselves rather than trusting the person that they gunned to make the right decision and trusting the rest of us to elicit a claim out of that person so that that gun that they silently gave out doesn't sneak off into the night without being shot, lest it gets forgotten in the fray. Therefore, we should be pressuring people to claim their gun because the gunsmith is not going to do so.

Even if brainbomb happens to be the gunsmith, he would be stupid to confirm it. If we assume that he isn't lying when he said he wasn't RBed, which is a very safe assumption since there is no point in holding that back, he got a gun out, and as I just mentioned, he has three left. He knows who he gunned. Giving them the opportunity to shoot him is a risk he took by gunning them. Wasting his other three guns in order to take the safe bet of outing them at clear detriment to himself when he already took the risk by gunning that person in the first place makes absolutely no sense. It would be better to simply not gun if he were that uncertain of his reads.

So, either way you slice this proverbial pie, you're wrong and I'm right.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote MLQ

Reasoning in my EON post. In sum, she tried hard to save Jamiet, and she seems to want to discredit me no matter what.

[bo_sox48]

The third possibility here is, of course, that one of the RBed players is the gunsmith and they are well aware that their gun was never given. That is unlikely, though, and even if it were the case, they don't know if the nurse RBed them or if the mafia RBed them. They don't know if they're going to keep getting RBed or if they can survive at least a few more nights with their power intact by not claiming simply to give us some information that will clear our collective conscience. It would not be wise for them to claim if there was no gun given out, and it is perfectly valid that they should be the only one to know that for the foreseeable future.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I agree with Bo. If you are Gunned, you need to come forward and claim that you were gunned immediately. People who hide guns are Scum, especially where mafia have a Stalker.

[brainbomb]

I dont really see why were talking about this instead of reevaluating the game knowing maniac is clear. That certainly helps us. Not only that hes clear but hes a non pr clear. So we have 5 PR even tho we lost one. I consider a clear as valuable as a PR.

Our clears out number the scums remaining members. Which means we should use today to lynch for as much info as possible. Balki being roleblocked as a counter wagon to Jamie probably should be something to evaluate later. And only if balki is still.alive like day 27

[Rjmcf]

Thank you Bo. THIS post gives us some information to work with at least, not like every other one today.

Now I'm afraid it's midnight my end, so I gotta get some sleep. You're still a little suspect though, for making me have to work so hard this time. Maybe try to be a little less aggressive next time and try to work on helping the hunt, not just being vague and weird.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Our clears out number the scums remaining members. Which means we should use today to lynch for as much info as possible.

No, we should lynch the person who feel is most likely to flip scum, and we should allow nobody to dodge that question by justifying a vote as an “informational lynch.”

[brainbomb]

Our clears out number the scums remaining members. Which means we should use today to lynch for as much info as possible.

No, we should lynch the person who feel is most likely to flip scum, and we should allow nobody to dodge that question by justifying a vote as an “informational lynch.”

I would lynch Tom, ND, RHK, thamrick or rivera at present.

If anyone was willing.

[brainbomb]

I have no idea why anyone townreads tom

[DemonRHK]

I am of the opinion brain needs to out who he gunned right now, or rescind and face the consequences. Because with the scum PRs in play, they might have more info on brain than we do at this point. And I don't want a gunshot ringing out from, an unknown person 30 minutes to end of day causing chaos more than there already is.

[brainbomb]

Im of the opinion you can shut yer fuckin mouths and let the game go on

[brainbomb]

If you wanna evaluate me evaluate the sincerety of my role in lynching Jamie. That alone should tell you im not scum. Reread my ISO and point out where in the fuck I am EVER bussing Jamie.

Show it to me. Prove it and I will literally lynch myself

[brainbomb]

##Vote Reedeer1

This is better. I can go either way on ND as hes just patently idiotic

[thamrick]

I am of the opinion brain needs to out who he gunned right now, or rescind and face the consequences. Because with the scum PRs in play, they might have more info on brain than we do at this point. And I don't want a gunshot ringing out from, an unknown person 30 minutes to end of day causing chaos more than there already is.

Can you outline what you're worried about with the scum PRs?
Hooker - could have RB'd BB, he claims he wasn't RB'd
Witch - wouldn't curse BB if they thought he was GS, but would try for his target
Stalker - could figure out if BB really was GS, but there's bigger fish to fry for mafia (finding cop & nurse seem more important to me)
Godfather - no info
Thief - Dead

And yes. Mafia have more info on Brain at this point than we do. They know whether he's Mafia or not.

I agree with you though. A random gunshot could be bad for town if a townie gets hit.

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote Mean

Baaaaaaa

[ND]

No gun, no rb, RIP Snowy. I was wrong about you.

Btw Bo's case on me was pretty baloney on the previous page.

[bo_sox48]

Thank you Bo. THIS post gives us some information to work with at least, not like every other one today.

Now I'm afraid it's midnight my end, so I gotta get some sleep. You're still a little suspect though, for making me have to work so hard this time. Maybe try to be a little less aggressive next time and try to work on helping the hunt, not just being vague and weird.

I'm going to ignore how horrendously pompous this post is and ask you to explain why you scumread me, because "making me have to work so hard" is not my problem.

Would you like to respond to the case I made against you or is deflecting only okay when you do it?

[bo_sox48]

Btw Bo's case on me was pretty baloney on the previous page.

At least do me the pleasure of giving my pretty baloney case some visibility by responding to it, ND. Here you go, for your convenience:

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ND - his line of questioning on page 7 is incredibly bland and unthoughtful. His posting on page 17 is even worse than page 7 and despite having 10 more pages of information to play with he continues to same shitty line of questioning that he did before. He has made no effort to analyze. Scum ND doesn’t care to analyze but would rather hide in the shadows and live as long as he can without putting any pressure on his teammates and leaving as little trace of his existence as possible. He fits his scum meta, which is why yall wanted to lynch him.

There was no major effort to save Jamie on D1. In fact, Jamie didn’t even try to save himself. Jamie was present at the EOD and could have easily claimed PR or at least tried to save himself, but the next guy on the block was ND. Jamie was the item thief, which in my point of view isn’t a terribly useful role in a setup like this one. If ND were town, Jamie would have made an effort to shift the lynch onto him. I think ND is not only scum but possibly the godfather, or at the very least a role that even Jamie thought was important enough to sacrifice himself in order to keep alive, even if only for a few days.

Assuming that that theory holds true, people that bailed on ND late for Jamie look bad. Snowy, yav, and Balki look suspect. Bozo looks good for dropping a vote on him and then being gone, which I don’t think scum would do to an important teammate, and thamrick looks pretty damn good as well for his late vote shifting over to ND and injecting a little bit of life back into his wagon with 15 minutes to go.

[ND]

I'll respond to it when I have some time to spare. But, for now it's baloney.

As for the rest of the EON /D2 events, not really surprised. Brain is playing it like I thought he would mid-D1. Exactly.

Snowy's NK was surprising considering he did absolutely nothing.

Brain not being RB/NK means the Mafia didn't believe him or he is Mafia though. Think about that. If he makes it to D4-D5 definite mafia candidate. Personally I still lean town though due to D1 actions even though in the past Scum Brain does do last minute pushes on other scum members to get 'town cred'.

[brainbomb]

Bo.

Very clearly town.

You feelin better man?