Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[thamrick]

"Why do you say Brain's dying wish had rdrivera in his scum?"

You said he was. You said " He was strongly suspicious of reedeer, yavuz, rdrivera, and bo."

He was. By dying wish I assumed you meant the people he was most recently suspicious of. BB was strongly suspicious of lots of people, the two of us included

Regardless, I don't see the links of rdrivera to other mafia that I see clearly in reedeer, yav, bo, and MLQ.

[thamrick]

Lol.

When I look at that rj wagon I see 100% town.

I agree. Which is troubling. As obviously scum as Rj was - especially if you knew he was scum, why wouldn't you dunk him?

[Tom Bombadil]

I don't either. I fairly strongly townread rd. Just couldn't follow your reasoning.

[Tom Bombadil]

I don't think rj was that obviously scum. If he was that obviously scum to you, why didn't you vote for him?

[Foxcastle]

And godfather would be the least likely person to bus as they don't need that cover because they are godfather.

Unless you thought you could get away with a D2 bus hoping it wouldn't happen, and then Rjm's wagon came up too quickly for you to get off without being suspicious.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Maniac, I'm very frustrated that for two days straight you've reduced the scope of discussion to a few people who haven't posted much. It's great that we caught scum yesterday, but we may get to an end game where the people alive were rarely discussed because they were outside your scope. I don't think it is a good idea to constrain discussion in the way you are doing. I want everyone making their own active choices about what they think is the right topic to discuss. Then we can evaluate those choices.

[Tom Bombadil]

@Balki:

Obviously you heavily scumread Mean. With 8 minutes left she voted Vash, right after you voted Vash. Wouldn't you be suspicious of that? Especially since you didn't seem to have a strong feelings on the lynchpool. Did you consider the fact that your strongest scumread was voting with you?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Maniac,

If choosing among the four people you listed, I would use my one Balki-save (TM) on Reedeer. I find his EOD1 vote, above all, to be most clearing.

Among the others, I'd love to see Bo or Yavuz flip.

Captainmeme holds a special place in my heart because I think he can win the game for town late. If I had to read him, right now, I'd say scum, based on Darg. But I feel like captainmeme brings something extra to the table if he is Town, and I am hesitant to kill that resource on Day 2.

[thamrick]

I don't think rj was that obviously scum. If he was that obviously scum to you, why didn't you vote for him?

I don't have a good explanation. RHK was expressing the desire to stop tunneling him. I was feeling the same way. We were both wrong.

[thamrick]

@Maniac,

If choosing among the four people you listed, I would use my one Balki-save (TM) on Reedeer. I find his EOD1 vote, above all, to be most clearing.

Among the others, I'd love to see Bo or Yavuz flip.

Captainmeme holds a special place in my heart because I think he can win the game for town late. If I had to read him, right now, I'd say scum, based on Darg. But I feel like captainmeme brings something extra to the table if he is Town, and I am hesitant to kill that resource on Day 2.

Why is his EOD1 vote clearing?

I never understand this sentiment. It has nothing to do with what role he drew.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki:

Obviously you heavily scumread Mean. With 8 minutes left she voted Vash, right after you voted Vash. Wouldn't you be suspicious of that? Especially since you didn't seem to have a strong feelings on the lynchpool. Did you consider the fact that your strongest scumread was voting with you?

I don't believe I considered that at all. I probably should have. I'm generally not a big fan of voting based on who is on what wagon. It creates a feedback loop that prevents accountability. I vote based on my read. I thought RJ was Town, and I was basically Null on Vash.

[Foxcastle]

Yeah, Captainmeme's 102 total words, and utter silence for nearly 48 hours certainly makes me think "there's somebody who could solve this game"...

[Maniac]

@balki - talk about and vote for who you like. My deadpools yesterday didn't restrict people too much. Their votes for RJ came well before I listed him in my deadpools. There will be different information gained by my actions, you'll just need to interpret it when I'm gone. As I said to Bo regardless of my listing a deadpool, scum will look closely at my reads and questions and maybe try to save one of theirs or advocate for a towny on my radar to lynch.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Why is his EOD1 vote clearing?

Reedeer had flexibility in his reads to be on either wagon. Still, he cast the deciding vote on Jamiet very near the wire. I do not believe Scum Reedeer would have voted that way. You can't tell this using the bot. You have to go back and read the EOD.

I never understand this sentiment. It has nothing to do with what role he drew.

Why can't you understand? I don't know what role he drew. The expected value of shooting Meme is:

= BK * PS - CK * (1-PS)

BK equals Benefit of Kill
CK equals Cost of Kill
PS equals Probability Scum

I consider "CK" to be pretty high.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Yeah, Captainmeme's 102 total words, and utter silence for nearly 48 hours certainly makes me think "there's somebody who could solve this game"...

That's just his MO. He lurks early and solves late.

[Tom Bombadil]

"I don't have a good explanation. RHK was expressing the desire to stop tunneling him. I was feeling the same way. We were both wrong."

What a scumtastic response! You can stop tunneling and question other people, but if rj was actually obvious to you - there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you would have not voted for him when he was a leading candidate. So 8 mintues out, you haven't been tunneling (good job), you choose to vote the guy who is NOT OBVIOUS SCUM in your eyes????

[Foxcastle]

@Balki, okay. I haven't played with him yet.

[Tom Bombadil]

Foxy don't vote for me. You have been very logical this game. You think I am godfather and rj was witch and we both voted each other all day yesterday? Seems like a pretty good way to get one of your two most powerful scum roles killed.

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote tham

[Tom Bombadil]

I feel like brainbomb. I am brainbomb resurrected.