Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1381 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:34 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:51 pm
I'm town reading Mean. In her P52 summary of everything, she says a couple things that I don't think scum coming off a night in the Mafia QT would say.

In reading ND, she says "He scum read snowy throughout the game, and that’s an odd thing to do if you’re planning on killing him at night when you’re the only person who has voted for him"

In reading Rjm, "He also scumread snowy in his reads at the end of night, which is a really odd thing to do if he knew he was going to die."

Scum don't go into the Mafia QT knowing who they will kill. If Mean were scum, she would have just spent 24 hours in the Mafia QT and would know that even if there's general consensus, scum don't go in knowing how the discussion will come out. So I see those as town slips, defaulting to how she understands the game is usually played face-to-face because she didn't go to the Mafia QT.
I see what you're saying, but I don't find it very convincing.

(1) Look at ND's post on page 36:
I still think snowy needs to be next. His D1 play is so out of touch with what he usually does. It's lazy and scum-indicative. he needs to go next.
That was several hours into the night. I can see this as an argument from Scum MLQ. I feel like you're making some assumptions about what went on in the Mafia QT in this game. You're saying that, if MLQ were scum, the discussion about the NK target in the QT would have prevented her from faking this argument about ND. But...so many variables there. I mean, if Mafia decided right away to kill Snowy and there was little dissent, then the argument makes a lot of sense as one fabricated by Scum MLQ.

(2) Your argument does not make sense with respect to RJ because the RJ post she mentioned was at EON. Scum MLQ, in trying to make an argument to defend Scum RJ or to gain town cred/pocket RJ by defending Town RJ, might consider how RJ read the NK target in his EON reads, right?

Those arguments are not very alignment indicative to me.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1382 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:38 pm

Jamiet99uk (9)
DemonRHK - initially I said he had no progression into scumreading jamie but on reread he did
brainbomb - joined then went to vash then back
ND - was counter wagon
rdrivera2005 - lurked all d1
reedeer1 - never was scumreading jamie, never even mentioned jamie
snowy801 - dead
Balki Bartokomous - was counter wagon but only joins after its obvious hes not getting lynched.
VashtaNeurotic - lurked all game.
yavuzovic - tried to tie it.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1383 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:40 pm

I realize we shouldnt automatically assume theres a busser but I think saying rivera and reedeer played pivotal roles in catching scum is questionable. They get credit but absolutely none of the days search is credited to them.

Vash
Rivera
Reedeer
Are most questionable there.

Balki next

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1384 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:45 pm

@Rivera when did you start thinking jamie was scum

Reedeer same questiom

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1385 Post by MeanLaQueefa » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:48 pm

Brain, explain to me why vash is a no go, this is the third time I've asked

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1386 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:50 pm

@Brain,

I agree that there is likely to be one or more scumbuckets on the Jamiet wagon. But the main reason is that scum are 4/18 of the remaining players, and that wagon included 8/18 remaining players. From a numerical odds perspective, it's doubtful that all 4 scum made up the 10 people off the wagon.

But if we're talking abstract probabilities, we have a better chance hunting in the 10 living players who were not on that wagon. There are likely 2-3 scum among those 10. And we should expect scum to have made serious efforts to avoid losing a teammate on Day 1.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1387 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:50 pm

My line of thinking here is that 3 scum bussed jamie.

Rivera, yavuz and reedeer all arrive there very abnormally.

I dont think vash-demon-myself-ND look as awkward.

Balki is the loner I cant figure out.

Like seriously why wouldnt the whole team just bus? It makes them all clear for days and days.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1388 Post by yavuzovic » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:51 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:38 pm
yavuzovic - tried to tie it.
Why do you lie brain. I tried to break draw. I didn't scumread him but I voted him to break draw, I didn't tried to tie it.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1389 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:51 pm

yavuzovic wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:51 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:38 pm
yavuzovic - tried to tie it.
Why do you lie brain. I tried to break draw. I didn't scumread him but I voted him to break draw, I didn't tried to tie it.
You tied it 6/6 and tried to tie it. And then rejoined when a rush of players called you out

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1390 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:53 pm

Vash joining 9th is not scummy. He gets no cred fir doin it

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1391 Post by reedeer1 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:54 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:45 pm
@Rivera when did you start thinking jamie was scum

Reedeer same questiom
I started thinking Jamie was scum when some of my top town reads started voteing him. I have not played as many eirly games with Jamie as the people I was townreading, so I went with them, but I was not scum reading any of the top three wagons.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1392 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:55 pm

Its truly hilarious how big of a peice of shit vash is. No matter how well I can decipher his actions so easily, he tries to lynch me or get me shot incessantly.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1393 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:56 pm

And EVERY SINGLE TIME after I die vash survives to endgame, finds no scum and town loses.

We just cannot get this child to learn how mafia works

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1394 Post by DemonRHK » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:03 pm

@bozo: Thank you for the writeup. What are your thoughts on who is scum?

@Mean: The critical point on getting reads in before end of night is the Night Kill. People that don't get reads in but post them the next day look suspicious, it looks like they had no fear of dying. Only scum are not afraid of not waking up, and from my point of view, you were on the list of NKs I expected to see, which troubles me more with the disregard for EoN.

@rd: That is quite a hostile reaction. Reads D1/N1 are important. They can be reviewed later in the event of flips. Scum knows this. They can and will obscure all the information they can to keep us from tying them together. This is why Jamie's read list D1 may be quite valuable.

bozo, for now has sufficiently provided something.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1395 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:05 pm

Guys are you all really this blind?

Vash is not scum. Why do you think no one has a

Ding ding ding

Ding ding ding

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1396 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:08 pm

If people I respect read those quotes in context and tell me MLQ is Town, I'll let this wagon fizzle and choose from the Fifty Shades of Grey above.
Link to my question

Link to MLQ's comments on Jamiet wagon on Page 20.

Link to MLQ's comments on Jamiet wagon on Page 25.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1397 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:09 pm

Gosh I womder why day 1 vash would say he always has trouble reading me. Gosh.

I WONDER why he would say that!?

He usually always just anchors on me til im dead.

Gosh

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1398 Post by thamrick » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:14 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:33 pm

Summary:
ND does not come out looking as cleared compared to the bot report, but he still looks OK. Balki looks a little better compared to the bot report, as he was tied with ND and ahead of Jamie when he switched his vote to ND. yavuzovic looks slightly suspicious for changing he vote at a critical time despite indicating he had no preference between the three top wagons. rdrivera and reedeer look rather good, although it is still possible either one could have been bussing Jamie. Vashta moving to Jamie late looks a little suspicious, but not too much information without knowing the alignment of ND and Balki. brainbomb looks good for getting the Jamie wagon going, bus bussing can’t be completely ruled out. Slight connections between the following combinations: ND/Vashta, yavuzovic/Balki, and rdrivera/reedeer, if one of the pair was revealed as scum, the other would look more suspicious.
@Bozo - I don't understand where you're getting the connections. Can you spell this out for me more?

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1399 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:15 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:08 pm
If people I respect read those quotes in context and tell me MLQ is Town, I'll let this wagon fizzle and choose from the Fifty Shades of Grey above.
Link to my question

Link to MLQ's comments on Jamiet wagon on Page 20.

Link to MLQ's comments on Jamiet wagon on Page 25.
I don't want to let this go. I really feel like she's very good scum.

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Re: Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

#1400 Post by brainbomb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:27 pm

To anyone who wants to lynch off the Jamiet wagon. explain the reasoning, re-present your case.

we have an hour and a half left.

lets see who bussed. I dont think 9 people all were town. I think multiple scum gained undue cred for this lynch.

tell me about reedeer
yavuz and rivera
they all did next to no solving day 1 but end up in the right place

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