Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[Rjmcf]

These posts aren't the same. They're similar, I do agree with that, but one is a response to a question, and the other is a further clarification of that response.

[Tom Bombadil]

Correct. One is a question and one is a statement. The second post is a bit more specific - as I was responding to brain saying it was insincere.

Can someone explain why this makes me scummy? You believe brain that I switched the order so that snowy wouldn't be at the top and then came up with some story to justify the switch? Cause that seems like a stupid fucking idea if I were scum.

[Tom Bombadil]

I'm frankly insulted that brain thinks I would be that terrible as scum. rj and tham don't know me so at least they could think I would be stupid.

[Rjmcf]

No, I think brain is mad.

But it does feel like you're trying to hide something. I don't know, I will leave it to the more experienced players to come down on a final decision. I still townlean on you, I just found you suspicious in this particular exchange. Maniac's doing a good job anyway, have a chat with him for a bit.

[brainbomb]

brainbomb
Night-1 07:56
page 33 Do people still plan to shoot me with my guns? Because I think ive pretty solidly confirmed I am not only town but really am the riverboat gamblin gunslinga.

I was thinkin id gun dargo or queefa.

Just to see who theyd shoot.

Tom Bombadil
Night-1 07:55
page 33 brain: I don't really see redeer as scummy, and I wonder if English is his first language. The post about voting Jamie makes sense to me - he was unsure of each wagon and picked the one where his strongest townread(s) was/were voting.

The second post about Mean playing better is certainly strange, though I don't feel alignment indicative. From looking at his points he seems rather timid - not likely to bus a scumbuddy at a pivotal point, so I view him likely town because of his vote.

So pretty sure the following are town:

snowy
ND
brain
rdrivera
redee​r.

reedeer1
Night-1 07:46
page 33 Well, I was born and raised in New York, so I think it was my first language (after baby talk that is.) I have a strange way that I fraise words, that comes from my excessive reading as a child (you know when someone has only read a word, so they know what it means and where to say it, but not how to pronounce it? thats often me.) Also I cant spell for shit, and so spell check is my friend.

brainbomb
Night-1 07:41
page 33 Look at reedeer again.
And at Jamie.

Jamie never once mentions reedeer.
Vash votes reedeer.
Jamie votes vash but stays on vash even after vash has posted. He treats vash differently than he does bo. When bo posted, jamie moved right away.

■ why does Jamie stay on vash but not on bo
◇ bo scum with Jamie?
◇ vash scum with Jamie?
◇ or was vashs pressure on Reedeer enough to scare Jamie?

I find reedeer justification for voting Jamie strange and insincere.

thamrick
Night-1 07:36
page 33 Jamiet mentioned he wouldn't be very active at EoD because he would be at a gig. Not sure if that was just a cover to not have to be involved and avoid scrutiny or if he actually had a gig. I think the latter is likely since he really didn't mount a defense of himself at all, or try to drive a counter wagon once he was a viable lynch.

reedeer1
Night-1 07:31
page 33 I am aware that my last post added nothing of substance, so I will say that on my list of reads there has been a few changes

My highest scum read was rdrivera2005, who now seems less scumy but still on the scum side of neutral.

Black - Dead
Red - Maybe Scum
Dark Red - slight scum
Orange - no Idea
Green - town
Blue - More town

Jamiet99uk - Dead

rdrivera2005
Ezio
Balki Bartokomous
rjmcf
yavuzovic

VashtaNeurotic
snowy801
SuperSteve
dargorygel
bo_sox48
Foxcastle
thamrick

DemonRHK
MeanLaQueefa
bozotheclown
ND
brainbomb
Tom Bombadil
Maniac
reedeer1 - Me

brainbomb
Night-1 07:28
page 33 That shits like unreadable lol

brainbomb
Night-1 07:25
page 33 Maniac top townread???? What?

brainbomb
Night-1 07:19
page 33 Possibly a PR
Possibly Town
Possibly a VT

Why do people think that these kind of posts are important?

reedeer1
Night-1 07:18
page 33 In some of his earlier posts, he resembled his town self, and said some things that I do not believe that a scum would be able to fabricate. it could easily change as all the people I town read are relatively similar in ranking. to be honest they are all just feelings and now I realize that i trust you bozo and ND more than tom, so they do shift based on when, but they all fit around where they are.

reedeer1
Night-1 07:17
page 33 I think I meant scum as one of those three, not all town sided roles.

Tom Bombadil
Night-1 07:17
page 33 What is insincere about it brain? He honestly stated that he was unsure on the top wagons and then went with the one that his highest townread was voting. Seems sincere to me - if a little vague, but that just makes my townread of reedeer stronger. His reasoning was vague, which gave him a way to justify any vote - and he voted for scum.

He seems timid, not the type of player to bus like that unless he was forced to because his reads backed him into a corner, which was clearly not the case.

Probable town:

reedeer
snowy
brain
rdrivera
​ND

So you forgot to hit submit for 45 minutes?
And then your reads got shuffled?
And reedeer went from bottom of your town to top?
And ND went to bottom?

Nd didnt talk in that time?
Rivera didnt talk either?

Yer just whining at this point

[yavuzovic]

ND (slight scum): Let's turn D1 last posts and think from his eyes. There's two odds:
1)Town ND: I have claimed that snowy is scum but it's hard to lynch him in this situation. I should vote one of these guys, balki or jamiet (because third suspect is himself.). I told "I don't think Balki is scum. I'm not going to vote for him." and I voted for Jamiet.
2)Scum ND: My wagon was consisting of three vote and I voted for snowy. But next hours I thought we can't lynch snowy. Maybe I should vote for Jamiet99uk, he's going to be lynched and when he will be lynched his voters might repel some suspicion. I can hide myself with this. (Because he voted for Jamiet99uk before most of us)

[brainbomb]

You DELIBERATLEY say reedeer is a strengthening tiwnread and elevate him from lowest to highest. You convince YOURSELF and then clearly your reads are in order of towniest at top and slight town at bottom

[yavuzovic]

##vote ND

[Foxcastle]

##vote ND

Not afraid of ND's wrath today, Yavuz?

[yavuzovic]

^^vote ND

Not afraid of ND's wrath today, Yavuz?

Not now, but I should warn you: Quotes mustn't contain ## .

[Tom Bombadil]

"You DELIBERATLEY say reedeer is a strengthening tiwnread and elevate him from lowest to highest. You convince YOURSELF and then clearly your reads are in order of towniest at top and slight town at bottom"

Nope - there was no order to either list.

[yavuzovic]

^^vote ND

Not afraid of ND's wrath today, Yavuz?

Not now, but I should warn you: Quotes mustn't contain ## .

Ah, it's not counted - No problem

[Tom Bombadil]

yavu:

How do you feel about Balki and MeanLaQueefa?

[Foxcastle]

Not that I have problem with an ND vote, in any case.

But good to know that quoted text doesn't create votes, yes.

[Tom Bombadil]

Foxy - Do you still think Balki vs Mean is town v town?

[Foxcastle]

-Is new player buddying/mentoring still somewhat scummy? Because Maniac has done that twice on P5.

Given that Maniac is town clear, it wasn't scummy in this case.
But it does interest me that you picked up on Maniac "buddying/mentoring" on page 5 (telling new players not to claim their PRs and pointing them at the peterbot), but didn't mention Jamiet doing it on page 7 (explaining to Rjm and Yavuz the common acronyms and shorthand).

[Foxcastle]

Foxy - Do you still think Balki vs Mean is town v town?

I'm rereading a bunch of stuff in that range now. If I don't give you an answer on this in a while, remind me.

[Foxcastle]

Demon and RJM are clearly in cahoots.

What did you see, SuperSteve? What did you see?

[thamrick]

Not afraid of ND's wrath today, Yavuz?

Not now, but I should warn you: Quotes mustn't contain ## .

Ah, it's not counted - No problem

How do you know? Is there a way to look at the bot vote count?

[Foxcastle]

How do you know? Is there a way to look at the bot vote count?

##Vote Thamrick

Yep, http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=34

The bot updates every few minutes (more often near deadlines), so it's not always immediately accurate, but it is eventually accurate...