M50: Madness in Memetown [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

No your a smart person but its not a good idea anyways

Why is it not a good idea? Just a hunch like Jamiet's, or did you do some analysis?

Because then mafia can also claim roles, and because not all roles are actually given that means that this could really throw us off, and then throw us into huge arguments over two people which isnt what we want to do. It would also be an overload of information which IMO is a bad idea because then its hard to parse it all out, and often actually just wont

The mafia can claim their fake roles but they won't be able to prove them. Almost all of the town roles can be proven. Two people claiming the same role would be perfect, why would we not want that? We are guaranteed to catch scum in at most two lynches. A townie would never complain about "overload of information". I'd say we have caught our first scum.

[Kitsune]

almost forgot Kitsune posted

why are you so quiet?

Grant application.

I'll chime in when I can, and I want to do a meatier more useful post than I'd have time to do if I was trying to talk now.

[xorxes]

##CALL GM:

Presumably the third parties have also each been provided with a fake role to claim, correct?

[FlaviusAetius]

Okay maybe, just maybe, playing a video game would make me less involved in the conversation going on in here

No one was coming after you why are you being so randomly defensive

[xorxes]

How many townie rolls are not confirmable?
Does this mean we have to read the setup?

Out of 28 potential town roles, only about six seem to be not confirmable, and most of those are roles that scum would want to kill early anyway, so they will confirm them for us (investigative and protective) so it looks like a massclaim is well in order.

[rdrivera2005]

How many townie rolls are not confirmable?
Does this mean we have to read the setup?

Out of 28 potential town roles, only about six seem to be not confirmable, and most of those are roles that scum would want to kill early anyway, so they will confirm them for us (investigative and protective) so it looks like a massclaim is well in order.

I don't like massclaims because it seems just an exploit of the setup. I understand it can be really effective in this setup after re-reading the role list, but I just think it will kill the game fun.

[TrPrado]

Why is it not a good idea? Just a hunch like Jamiet's, or did you do some analysis?

Because then mafia can also claim roles, and because not all roles are actually given that means that this could really throw us off, and then throw us into huge arguments over two people which isnt what we want to do. It would also be an overload of information which IMO is a bad idea because then its hard to parse it all out, and often actually just wont

The mafia can claim their fake roles but they won't be able to prove them. Almost all of the town roles can be proven. Two people claiming the same role would be perfect, why would we not want that? We are guaranteed to catch scum in at most two lynches. A townie would never complain about "overload of information". I'd say we have caught our first scum.

Eh. There are also possible fake confirms in there I could see.

[Kitsune]

I'm happy to massclaim if that's the town consensus.

I'm not going to do it out of the blue, but I won't refuse to do it if at least five other people claim before me.

Also:

##Call GM

Can I confirm the first phase length? Is it normal duration or do we have a double-length for Day 1?

[Vaporwave]

rivera barging in without any sort of greeting or introduction..3p confirmed!

massclaim status

for +
against -

+ xorxes
- Flavius, Jamie, rivera

I would abhor for this day to be massclaim-centric

[FlaviusAetius]

Why is it not a good idea? Just a hunch like Jamiet's, or did you do some analysis?

Because then mafia can also claim roles, and because not all roles are actually given that means that this could really throw us off, and then throw us into huge arguments over two people which isnt what we want to do. It would also be an overload of information which IMO is a bad idea because then its hard to parse it all out, and often actually just wont

The mafia can claim their fake roles but they won't be able to prove them. Almost all of the town roles can be proven. Two people claiming the same role would be perfect, why would we not want that? We are guaranteed to catch scum in at most two lynches. A townie would never complain about "overload of information". I'd say we have caught our first scum.

jumping to conclusions there dontcha think? Why are you trying to end this so quickly my man just chill out. Yes two people claiming the role would be nice, but if you actually look at the roles, you cant prove a lot of these things on Day 1. So yes mass claiming roles will only cause unneeded confusion, how about instead of trying to find loopholes that dont exist you actually solve the game?

[BobMcBob]

Oh my, this kicked off fast. I'm going to read through the previous pages to catch up, read my role PM at some point, and then start posting.

[TrPrado]

Okay maybe, just maybe, playing a video game would make me less involved in the conversation going on in here

No one was coming after you why are you being so randomly defensive

Yes, as a matter of fact the worst possible person was coming after me:
It was me the whole time!

[Vaporwave]

Oh my, this kicked off fast. I'm going to read through the previous pages to catch up, read my role PM at some point, and then start posting.

Lmao, you guys are a riot

are you the 3rd or 4th guy who's hasn't touched his pm?

are you guys secretly the mafia team, deciding to be in synch?

[FlaviusAetius]

How many townie rolls are not confirmable?
Does this mean we have to read the setup?

Out of 28 potential town roles, only about six seem to be not confirmable, and most of those are roles that scum would want to kill early anyway, so they will confirm them for us (investigative and protective) so it looks like a massclaim is well in order.

False;
Wednesday Frog, cant claim to Wednesday??
Watcher, literally cant confirm or not confirm it
Vigilante, ok granted that can be confirmed
Vengeful, can be confirmed ONLY WHEN WE KILL THEM, SO??
Universial Backup, cant be confirmed
Tracker, cant be confirmed, can though OVERTIME, massclaim doesnt help this
Reviver, cant be confirmed...until action is done, see the trend?

[xorxes]

Because then mafia can also claim roles, and because not all roles are actually given that means that this could really throw us off, and then throw us into huge arguments over two people which isnt what we want to do. It would also be an overload of information which IMO is a bad idea because then its hard to parse it all out, and often actually just wont

The mafia can claim their fake roles but they won't be able to prove them. Almost all of the town roles can be proven. Two people claiming the same role would be perfect, why would we not want that? We are guaranteed to catch scum in at most two lynches. A townie would never complain about "overload of information". I'd say we have caught our first scum.

Eh. There are also possible fake confirms in there I could see.

The role thief could counterclaim whatever role they steal, but it would be a counterclaim, so at worst it's one for one.

The Traitor could claim Vig and get away with it if the Vig is in their fake list. So whoever claims Vig would have to remain a suspect. Any other possible fake confirms that you can see?

[Vaporwave]

Why did Vecna posted “Never gonna give you up” ?

[Chaqa]

DAY 1 HAS ENDED EARLY.

Please hold.

[FlaviusAetius]

Okay maybe, just maybe, playing a video game would make me less involved in the conversation going on in here

No one was coming after you why are you being so randomly defensive

Yes, as a matter of fact the worst possible person was coming after me:
It was me the whole time!

rip
now to continue off my last post
Philosoraptor...can be confirmed so yay to that, to one person, who could be the mafia lol?
Medium, cant be confirmed until a person dies...what does mass claiming day 1 suppose to do, again?
Magnet, cant be confirmed, literally just cant
Lover, cant be confirmed, multiple people can die at once normally
Jack of all Trades, same as vigilante
Item Smith can be confirmed
Interceptor,You get to read PMs, yay? Not confirmable at all, could be a big flat fail and no PMs were even sent
Innocent Doge, can be confirmed...unless you die before Day 4
Gunsmith, a lot of people have guns in this game, not confirmable
Governor, can be confirmed
Gladiator, can be confirmed
Nyan Cat, can be confirmed...unless you do it to a mafia member
Driver, cant be confirmed
Doctor, cant be confirmed...
Cop, cant be confirmed, third party is a thing my friend!
Conditional Child, can be confirmed AFTER the fact
Anti-Encryptor, cant be confirmed
Bodyguard, cant be confirmed
Bulletproof, can be confirmed, IF theres a vigilante or jack of all trades
Commuter, cant be confirmed
Omniscient, ok they see all the roles, so if this is a role that is being used, I see the argument for massclaim, but THATS NOT THE ARGUMENT YOU USED??

I THINK ITS PRETTY CLEAR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE TOWN ROLES CANT BE CONFIRMED.
AND ITS PRETTY CLEAR THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED, AND NOT BLACK AND WHITE LIKE YOU WANT IT TO BE

[xorxes]

How many townie rolls are not confirmable?
Does this mean we have to read the setup?

Out of 28 potential town roles, only about six seem to be not confirmable, and most of those are roles that scum would want to kill early anyway, so they will confirm them for us (investigative and protective) so it looks like a massclaim is well in order.

False;
Wednesday Frog, cant claim to Wednesday??
Watcher, literally cant confirm or not confirm it
Vigilante, ok granted that can be confirmed
Vengeful, can be confirmed ONLY WHEN WE KILL THEM, SO??
Universial Backup, cant be confirmed
Tracker, cant be confirmed, can though OVERTIME, massclaim doesnt help this
Reviver, cant be confirmed...until action is done, see the trend?

Wednesday Frog, Vig, UB, Reviver can all be easily confirmed.

Watcher, Vengeful and Tracker can't but mafia will want to kill them and thus confirm them for us. If they don't kill them, they are either scum, or they will have juicy info for us, since their target selection will be much more efficient after the massclaim than if they were targetting someone random.

[Chaqa]

Day 1 Final Vote Count:
Kitsune (2): TrPrado, Squigs44

No vote: everyone else

Please PM me within the next 10 minutes or so if you see anything wrong.