MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

Signing off. Back 10 min before.

[Chaqa]

Yuuki or Kal also I would vote for

[rdrivera2005]

[quote="Maniac " post_id=105877 time=1569099380 user_id=156]
[quote=xorxes post_id=105864 time=1569097639 user_id=229]
@Maniac, re: your case on rivera.

I noticed the same thing you did when I first read it. I dismissed it almost instantly because rivera is not a native speaker and it's quite obvious what he meant to say even if he did not include all the ifs and woulds that would have made it more clear.

It is possible that rivera is scum, but his reaction to brain was extremely towny. Of course, if he was any scum other than the roleblocker he would have known for sure that brain was lying (@food: none of the other scum would have visited Fox), but even then if that was the case he put a very good show. I'm pretty sure at the moment that rivera is not mafia.

Your case on rivera is similar to the one you made against BG on day 1. You pick one small detail that can arguably be said to be scummy but you ignore everything else they have done.

@Maniac, a general question for you: are you enjoying this game so far or do you find it something of a burden?
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I didn’t know English wasn’t Rdrivera first language. I’m British we kind of assume that everyone speaks English. It still looks scummy to me. I did ask him to explain.

I’m enjoying playing but it is taking up more time than I’d like and I feel I’m floundering a bit.
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##unvote as I saw EP claim.

Maniac, I really didn't see your question, could you point to the page as I don't have time to search considering I have still to catch up.

[xorxes]

@Bunny

I looked over Yuuki's ISO. It looks pretty bad.

He normally dominated the conversation as town. In the mini mafia game I just played with a few others, yuuki was breathing down our necks all game. In this game, he's pretty much a non-entity.

Yep. He also said he would have more time during the weekend, but so far nothing.

[Nephthys]

Is no one else confused why Maniac had bozo in his EON reads?

What was that about @Maniac

[rdrivera2005]

And I am pretty sure Nepthys reaction to Brain fake claim is a scum one.

This pretty much clears rdr in my head.

If he was scum a post like this would highly point to me being town when he flips.

This is pure WIFOM. We could be scum together.

[Maniac]

Is no one else confused why Maniac had bozo in his EON reads?

What was that about @Maniac

I just like to keep track of people

[Nephthys]

Really sorry – I just don’t have time to make cases with full quotes.

Bozotheclown – RIP VT TOWN – Lynched D1
brainbomb – Scum. I just don’t get his thought processes at EOD. Brainbomb keeps saying ND is scum and he’ll vote for him but when it comes down to Bozo versus ND at the end, he stays on Bozo. He was on at EOD and would’ve seen Bozo claim (which in fairness most players regardless of alignment would do) yet didn’t switch to ND. Town like to nail their top scum reads, and Brainbomb had that opportunity but passed it by.
BunnyGo – I had him as scum early doors. But now I’m not so sure. His Bozo vote seemed genuine. Not sure if he liked my xorxes case to curry favour with me and the case painted him in a better light.
Chaqa – Chaqa hasn’t stood out to me at all. I think his ND vote was lazy and without good reason. I seem to recall he is always a light poster?
damo666 – very short posts without much content. I have an aversion to players who sit on the sidelines when it comes to EOD voting and waste their votes. Damo666 please make a decision between the two leading wagons if you’re still with us tomorrow.
dargo – someone else who has wasted their vote. Not confrontational, quite bland posts and reads are not great.
e.m.c^42 – wasted his vote on me at EOD. Watched as the wagons were tied and did nothing. Perhaps he knew they weren;t really tied and he is the SK?
EspressoPatronum – Scum 2, if xorxes is. Would make a good info lynch.
foodcoats – seems legit in his questioning
Foxcastle – he is off my radar, I’ll have to watch him
Jamiet99uk – this doesn’t seem to be the balls-out Jamie that I remember. @other veterans, has he calmed down over last 20 odd games or is this a new calmer Jamie?
KalelChase – I thought xorxes was covering for him a little. Not sure why people think he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Kitsune – seems uncertain about things including his bozo vote. It could be he is scum and knew bozo would flip town.
Look at this post for uncertainty

“Scum: Bozo - On reconsidering... I think I'm actually putting Bozo here now. Combination of the two heuristics, he seems to go from keeping a low profile for long periods of time to pushing his four-row agenda and trying to enlist an increasing number of the players into subscribing to his meta for the game. Maybe he's right? I'm not sure I trust him at this point. Maybe he'll up his clarity later as players who know him better are suggesting.” Full of maybes, ‘I think’; ‘On reconsidering’; and ‘I’m not sure’.

Maniac – Handsome as ever
ND/Sulit – his late wagon was interesting, made up of people like foodcoats, and fox, without strong reasons apart from they didn’t like bozo wagon. They would make a good info lynch.
Nephthys – hasn’t made an impression on me. Was on Bozo early and stayed there.
rdrivera2005 – another one on bozo early.
Temasek22 – who? Seriously, I didn’t even know they were playing. Up your game please.
Vaporwave – Another ND voter who says he only joined that wagon to save Bozo. He actually had read ND as a bad boy, but seemed to have forgotten that. Suspect and maybe scum.
worcej – RIP VT TOWN – shot D1
xorxes – Scum for the reasons set out in my case.
Yuuki – Has to do more.

TL;DR
Scum brainbomb, xorxes, vaporwave?, Esprosso/Kitsure
Serial Killer EMC

Looking back at this, I really hate this read list. There is so much filler where he doesn't really declare a read on anyone.

Also, to follow, the logical inconsistency with the Bunny read

[Maniac]

I can't believe that Espresso has been lead wagon for two days has a shedload of people scum reading him and he pulls the oldest desperate scum move in the book and bad town players and delighted scum lap it up.

If you let Espresso off the hook today, you'll all regret it.

[Nephthys]

And I am pretty sure Nepthys reaction to Brain fake claim is a scum one.

This pretty much clears rdr in my head.

If he was scum a post like this would highly point to me being town when he flips.

This is pure WIFOM. We could be scum together.

True, but as I said, it clears you in MY head. Just letting you in on why.

Realistically there's no way there I make it to end game so I'm better off taking things like this to try and give some focused reads before I leave

[BunnyGo]

Still waiting sulit...tick tock

[Chaqa]

I can't believe that Espresso has been lead wagon for two days has a shedload of people scum reading him and he pulls the oldest desperate scum move in the book and bad town players and delighted scum lap it up.

If you let Espresso off the hook today, you'll all regret it.

“You” being town, which you aren’t?

[rdrivera2005]

I don't like the Maniac wagon, but Yukki wagon look even worst. I still think EP is scum but we can't lynch an un--cced PR claim.

##vote Maniac to avoid SK interference. But I am willing to lynch Nephtys or Dargo if there is interest.

[foodcoats]

Euuugh this is brutal. I gotta leave.

Gotta move it.

##VOTE Maniac

[Nephthys]

Maniac and the missing Bunny

This tale starts off as many wondrous epics do, a misunderstanding.

Maniac slams Bunny for missing to bot link within the first 10 posts. Honestly, fair enough, he eventually drops it more or less.

However! We come to Maniac's first read list. What do we find here? Nothing other than a town read for our lovely Bunny.

BunnyGo - town

Skip forward to his most recent read list.

BunnyGo – I had him as scum early doors. But now I’m not so sure. His Bozo vote seemed genuine. Not sure if he liked my xorxes case to curry favour with me and the case painted him in a better light.

We see he says that he had Bunny as scum early (True). He does however, forget that he had a townread on Bunny. Instead he casts suspicion on him saying that he isnt sure.

Now, this is hardly a reason to lynch him in and of itself but it certainly indicates that his read lists could all be conscious choices rather than actual reads

[xorxes]

Euuugh this is brutal. I gotta leave.

Gotta move it.

##VOTE Maniac

Why? Why did you think you had to move?

[Chaqa]

Sulit hasn’t voted yet .

[Maniac]

Just for the record I'm hard claiming VT with no stone and will not be fake claiming to save my ass. If you guys can't see Espresso's fake claim for what it is, you kind of deserve to lose.

What my death will do is highlight all the people who were waiting for an excuse to move off Espresso.

Also BunnyGo - how do I go from solid town to scum?

@Rdr - on pg 118 “It's probably Brain fake claiming just because no one seems to take his push on me seriously and he wants to be sure I am dead so he can show how marvelous he is.” The only way for BrainBomb to look marvellous is if you flip scum.

@everyone. If you persist with lynching then please kill rdrivera tomorrow.

[RagingIke297]

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.2

Maniac(8) xorxes, damo666, Foxcastle, dargorygel, BunnyGo, Chaqa, rdrivera2005, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum(4) Jamiet99uk, Vaporwave, KalelChase, Maniac
Vaporwave(2) yuuki, Nephthys
yuuki(2)Temasek22, EspressoPatronum

As far as I can tell, the bot is right, please call me out if I'm wrong!!

12 minutes left in D2!!
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[RagingIke297]

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.2

Maniac(8) xorxes, damo666, Foxcastle, dargorygel, BunnyGo, Chaqa, rdrivera2005, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum(4) Jamiet99uk, Vaporwave, KalelChase, Maniac
Vaporwave(2) yuuki, Nephthys
yuuki(2)Temasek22, EspressoPatronum

As far as I can tell, the bot is right, please call me out if I'm wrong!!

12 minutes left in D2!!
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##GM note
Sulit needs to submit a valid vote before the day ends!!!!