MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2641 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:19 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:16 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:21 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:19 pm


It's Neph, EP, or Brain
I think EP is mafia or SK.
Neph and Brain are town or SK.
This is xorxes most recent post. I trust it. Until someone spells something out to me like I’m as dumb as I’m fronting (and believe me I’m much dumber than I’m fronting) I’m staying on EP.
When I flip town, remember how your tunnel on me clouded your judgment for other reads. Apparently there's not much I can do about it now to change your mind.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2642 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:19 pm

Maniac wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:15 pm
I'm going to be really pushed up until EOD, I have work, then canvassing, then straight to quiz where i can't use my phone, then drive home so won't be able o contribute much if at all.

I'll try and read-up when i can.

in the meantime here are my abridged reads

Bozotheclown - town
brainbomb - town
BunnyGo - town
Chaqa - null
damo666 - null
dargo - null
e.m.c^42 - town
EspressoPatronum – Scum 2, if xorxes is
foodcoats - town
Foxcastle - null
Jamiet99uk - nul
KalelChase – scum 3, Xorxes says Kalel and Espresso can’t both be scum even though he looks scummy. I think experience xorxes is giving newbie kalal some cover here.
Kitsune - town
Maniac - Handsome
ND - null
Nephthys - null
rdrivera2005 - town
Temasek22 - null
Vaporwave - town
worcej - town
xorxes – Scum 1
Yuuki - null
Maniac posts town reads here. Am I wrong?

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2643 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:20 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:19 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:16 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:21 pm


I think EP is mafia or SK.
Neph and Brain are town or SK.
This is xorxes most recent post. I trust it. Until someone spells something out to me like I’m as dumb as I’m fronting (and believe me I’m much dumber than I’m fronting) I’m staying on EP.
When I flip town, remember how your tunnel on me clouded your judgment for other reads. Apparently there's not much I can do about it now to change your mind.
I’m begging people to make a case. Literally.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2644 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:21 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:18 pm
What’s a smokescreen?
It's where everyone says something like this:

If I am tracker, I targeted X and they visited Y.

If everyone does this, it allows the real tracker to hide in the group and get their night action out there. It's a tiny bit risky bcz it can help scum narrow down PRs, but it's really helpful if the PR dies without telling anyone what they did.

If we did an itemsmith smokescreen + brain participated, we'd know who he targeted and what item he gave. But we didn't, so we can't know for sure.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2645 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:23 pm

So something like:

If I’m the tracker I target EP and they didn’t seem to do anything? That means they are ninja, or VT, or SK.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2646 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:23 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:20 pm
EspressoPatronum wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:19 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:16 pm


This is xorxes most recent post. I trust it. Until someone spells something out to me like I’m as dumb as I’m fronting (and believe me I’m much dumber than I’m fronting) I’m staying on EP.
When I flip town, remember how your tunnel on me clouded your judgment for other reads. Apparently there's not much I can do about it now to change your mind.
I’m begging people to make a case. Literally.
I have to go in a little while, but I'll be back before EOS. I'll do an ISO of Kalel, Maniac, and maybe Vapor.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2647 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:24 pm

But the above is conditional on me being tracker?

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2648 Post by foodcoats » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:24 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:19 pm
Maniac wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:15 pm
I'm going to be really pushed up until EOD, I have work, then canvassing, then straight to quiz where i can't use my phone, then drive home so won't be able o contribute much if at all.

I'll try and read-up when i can.

in the meantime here are my abridged reads

Bozotheclown - town
brainbomb - town
BunnyGo - town
Chaqa - null
damo666 - null
dargo - null
e.m.c^42 - town
EspressoPatronum – Scum 2, if xorxes is
foodcoats - town
Foxcastle - null
Jamiet99uk - nul
KalelChase – scum 3, Xorxes says Kalel and Espresso can’t both be scum even though he looks scummy. I think experience xorxes is giving newbie kalal some cover here.
Kitsune - town
Maniac - Handsome
ND - null
Nephthys - null
rdrivera2005 - town
Temasek22 - null
Vaporwave - town
worcej - town
xorxes – Scum 1
Yuuki - null
Maniac posts town reads here. Am I wrong?
Wow I totally missed that.

One less reason to vote Maniac then.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2649 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:25 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:23 pm
So something like:

If I’m the tracker I target EP and they didn’t seem to do anything? That means they are ninja, or VT, or SK.
Correct. And if everyone does this (ie.20ish smokescreen entries), it makes it really hard for scum to accurately sort through it. At the same time, it cushions the impact on the town if the PR dies unexpectedly.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2650 Post by foodcoats » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:25 pm

Oof EP.

You're not a sheep, you're just wearing the clothing.

##VOTE EspressoPatronum

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2651 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:26 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:24 pm
But the above is conditional on me being tracker?
Yeah.

For the smokescreen to work properly, everyone has to behave as though their smokescreen entry was real.

If the real tracker ever came forward without CC, you wouldn't have to keep faking your smokescreen reveal.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2652 Post by foodcoats » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:27 pm

If EP is scum... Kalel, yuuki, Vaporwave

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2653 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:28 pm

foodcoats wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:25 pm
Oof EP.

You're not a sheep, you're just wearing the clothing.

##VOTE EspressoPatronum
Look at it fmpv.

I know I'm town, so voting literally anyone else (except maybe xorxes and Jamie) is better than dying. If I need to follow a case on the next highest wagon to survive, I'll do so happily.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2654 Post by foodcoats » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:29 pm

I'm getting ready for a thing tonight now but I should be on via my phone until EOD.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2655 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:29 pm

@food, I think you're overestimating my scum hunting abilities. I had you and bo figured out, but that was after 2+ other scum flips to work with.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2656 Post by BunnyGo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:31 pm

Like I said, if someone puts together a convincing case on Kalel, I suspect I can be convinced.

There’s no way i vote on yuuki today.

I vote on maniac only with a lot better argument than already made.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2657 Post by foodcoats » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:33 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:28 pm
foodcoats wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:25 pm
Oof EP.

You're not a sheep, you're just wearing the clothing.

##VOTE EspressoPatronum
Look at it fmpv.

I know I'm town, so voting literally anyone else (except maybe xorxes and Jamie) is better than dying. If I need to follow a case on the next highest wagon to survive, I'll do so happily.
Let's say you accept your death and you put a critical eye on it...

Who are the four scum and who is the SK?

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2658 Post by Maniac » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:41 pm

My thoughts
Bozotheclown – RIP VT TOWN – Lynched D1
brainbomb – RIP Item Thief – VIG Shot D2
BunnyGo – He is looking more obv town and I’m not just saying that as he is my biggest defender
Chaqa – I had thought Rdr and Chaqa’s reactions to Brainbomb were scum being really pissed off with scum teammate Brainbomb, but obv that doesn’t make sense now. Town
damo666 – Don’t like his d1 voting. People need to make decisions at EOD between leading wagons.
dargo – someone else who has wasted their vote d1. That said I now have a town feel about him
e.m.c^42 – Town
EspressoPatronum – Would make a good lynch today as his wagon grew quickly D1 and then evaporated. Many people scum reading him today.
foodcoats – Going to say town as he wants me to give people town reads
Foxcastle – says he had a RB, no reason to disbelieve but it doesn’t clear him
Jamiet99uk – Vig who needs coffee before he gets obv jokes
KalelChase – Think he has town slipped by including EMC in his reads.
Kitsune – seems uncertain about things including his bozo vote. It could be he is scum and knew bozo would flip town. If BB did transport him as seems likely it doesn’t clear him.
Look at this post for uncertainty “Scum:
Bozo - On reconsidering... I think I'm actually putting Bozo here now. Combination of the two heuristics, he seems to go from keeping a low profile for long periods of time to pushing his four-row agenda and trying to enlist an increasing number of the players into subscribing to his meta for the game. Maybe he's right? I'm not sure I trust him at this point. Maybe he'll up his clarity later as players who know him better are suggesting.” Full of maybes, ‘I think’; ‘On reconsidering’; and ‘I’m not sure’.

Maniac – Handsome as ever
ND/Sulit – Sulit seems to be scum hunting without making strong cases
Nephthys – Still hasn’t made an impression on me. Was on Bozo early and stayed there. Null
rdrivera2005 – My top SCUM read. Look at this on pg 118 “It's probably Brain fake claiming just because no one seems to take his push on me seriously and he wants to be sure I am dead so he can show how marvelous he is.” So how does Brainbomb look marvellous if rdrivera flips Town? Brainbomb ONLY looks marvellous if Rdrivera is scum. I asked rdrivera to explain hours ago and despite being online since then hasn’t provided me with an answer ##vote rdrivera
Temasek22 – still hasn’t made an impression on me. Maybe I just subconsciously agree with him and tune him out. Will iso him when I have time.
Vaporwave – Another ND voter who says he only joined that wagon to save Bozo. He actually had read ND as a bad boy, but seemed to have forgotten that. Suspect and maybe scum. My read hasn’t changed since I last posted
worcej – RIP VT TOWN – shot D1
xorxes – Mislead me into thinking he was scum. Confirmed Town
Yuuki – Still MIA
TL;DR – Scum Rdrivera, vaporwave, Kitsure Serial Killer no idea
Obv town – BunnyGo and Kalal
Happy to answer questions about my play as it seems I’m scum read by a few people

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2659 Post by dargorygel » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:47 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:42 pm
dargorygel wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:34 pm
Is anyone defending EP? Not even himself... While I'm not moving him from my scum list , I am moving to maniac. Hope others join to secure a Lynch.
##vote maniac
Explain all of this please.
I would expect if EP were scum that scum would defend him. He's been a top wagon all day. But crickets, unless missed it with my travel-reading. So I am a little unsure now
Maniac is another scum read for me... And I like the voters. So I switched.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2660 Post by EspressoPatronum » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:54 pm

foodcoats wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:33 pm
EspressoPatronum wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:28 pm
foodcoats wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:25 pm
Oof EP.

You're not a sheep, you're just wearing the clothing.

##VOTE EspressoPatronum
Look at it fmpv.

I know I'm town, so voting literally anyone else (except maybe xorxes and Jamie) is better than dying. If I need to follow a case on the next highest wagon to survive, I'll do so happily.
Let's say you accept your death and you put a critical eye on it...

Who are the four scum and who is the SK?
Scum is in Vapor, Kalel, yuuki, Maniac, and maybe rdr if I'm wrong on one of the others.

I haven't really bothered with the SK, but we could probably find them by looking at people who included a new top scum read after N1 (read: they know who Gamora is + would want to scumcase Gamora to get the soul stone)

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