Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Day 2

emc (6) Fox Jamiet Espresso flash xorxes Chaqa
Chaqa (5) bozo rdrivera Vaporwave foodcoats bo_sox
bozo (3) Percy emc damo
Percy (1) dargo
damo (1) ItsHosuke
ItsHosuke (1) worcej
dargo (1) brainbomb

Day 3

Vaporwave (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo ItsHosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vaporwave
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Day 4

Chaqa (5) bozo worcej bo_sox foodcoats Espresso
dargo (2) ItsHosuke Chaqa
Espresso (1) dargo
flash (1) flash
bozo (1) Percy
worcej (1) xorxes
Fox (1) Fox
bo_sox (1) Tom
Jamiet (1) Jamiet

[flash2015]

Oh, Chaqa was scum too! Awesome!

[flash2015]

So it looks like we can take care of darg tomorrow, now without the worry of the cow/lover.

[xorxes]

Now we don't have to worry about ending on the leading wagon anymore. That's great, even though catching the human would have been even better.

[EspressoPatronum]

SUMMARY of CHAQA

D1
Chaqa pushing bo for the massclaim idea.
Votes Dargo. Early bus? Maybe setting up distancing
Vig discussion. Votes bo because bo pushes rdr. (Note - Bo's rdr push gives legitimacy to his bulletproof claim)
Votes bozo to tie the wagon.

N1
Agrees with brain that bo was scummy
Posts his reads. TRs BB(Tom), EMC, Vecna, xorxes, Hosuke. Null - Percy. SRs bozo and darg.
Serious bus vibes from this

D2
Defends Percy
Votes Darg again
Swaps vote to EMC. Says he thinks EMC is town.

N2
Goes against bozo again
Casts doubt on masons
His N2 reads:
Town - Confirmed Group
- Brain
- Rivera
- Fox
- Hosuke
- Chaqa

Town - Based on Reads/Analysis:
- Jamiet
- Xorxes
- Worcej

Null-ish/Fifth Scum group:
- Damo
- E.P.
- Flash
- Food
- Vapor

Scum
​ - Bozo
- Bo_Sox
- Dargo
- Percy

D3
Votes bozo again
Think Vapor is getting bussed
Says he'll follow xorxes and Tom over to darg wagon

N3
Outlines a huge bozo case
Says he thinks he'll die tonight. Doesn't say why.

D4
Votes for bozo again
Asks xorxes about the tracker and if they should claim. (This makes me think scum planned to CC tracker.)
Votes Darg after the CC
Fights with bozo
Shades worcej and bozo for leaning my side in the CC.
Repeatedly says he'll sheep Tom
"...last night has me feeling quite confident in a Worcej/Bozo/Dargo/EP being 3-4 scum."


Results:
HEAVY BUS against Darg and bozo.
- the bozo bus aligns with darg's agenda, too.
Chaqa's shade at worcej makes me think worcej is more town


Worcej looking very town from all this. I don't think the Chaqa lynch would have happened without him, and Chaqa's heavy bussing looks like he was positioning himself as a deep threat. As worcej pointed out before, a late game cow could tip the scales in favour of scum by killing their disease target.

[EspressoPatronum]

This is without a full re-read but based on how the day played out in me head, but I was under the impression that Jamie became significantly more vocal about the Chaqa lynch when it looked more like an inevitability.

I also think the oracle claim was super bizarre. What was the purpose of "seeing how xorxes would react" I get vibes that he said his oracle pick was xorxes, got called out for that not making any sense, and then switched to say bo which makes more sense.

He did something similar when he revealed his fake DP target in the smokescreen btw.

No I didn't.

You had a weird reaction to xorxes and me saying your DP self-target was bad.

[Jamiet99uk]

He did something similar when he revealed his fake DP target in the smokescreen btw.

No I didn't.

You had a weird reaction to xorxes and me saying your DP self-target was bad.

No I didn't.

I calmly explained why as DP I would have picked myself. Why is that weird?

[xorxes]

Wow. I was totally wrong. (To make you less irate worcej, there was never a scenario where Chaqa wasn’t going to be the lynch I directed, but I wanted to not waste the day by directing the lynch too soon and just have sheep following me.)

Worcej and bozo look good. Jamie and bo look bad.

Scum team – darg, bo, Jamie, foodcoats.

Now I actually need to stop posting and drive.

I don't get darg counterclaiming Espresso (or viceversa) instead of claiming Absorber or Divine Presence. If Espresso is the only scum, he didn't even know who he would be fighting it with. If dargo is the scum, he knew it was vs Espresso, but why would he have any confidence he would win the 1v1? And what was the point, if they were not even the caw in case they lost? They just sacrificed themselves to potentially (not even for certain) get one mislynch?

The most logical explanation is that they planned a ruse so that whoever did not get lynched would gain towncred. This is backed up by my prior conviction that the Tracker was one of their fake claims, based on how they handled damo's claim.

[EspressoPatronum]

Wow. I was totally wrong. (To make you less irate worcej, there was never a scenario where Chaqa wasn’t going to be the lynch I directed, but I wanted to not waste the day by directing the lynch too soon and just have sheep following me.)

Worcej and bozo look good. Jamie and bo look bad.

Scum team – darg, bo, Jamie, foodcoats.

Now I actually need to stop posting and drive.

I don't get darg counterclaiming Espresso (or viceversa) instead of claiming Absorber or Divine Presence. If Espresso is the only scum, he didn't even know who he would be fighting it with. If dargo is the scum, he knew it was vs Espresso, but why would he have any confidence he would win the 1v1? And what was the point, if they were not even the caw in case they lost? They just sacrificed themselves to potentially (not even for certain) get one mislynch?

The most logical explanation is that they planned a ruse so that whoever did not get lynched would gain towncred. This is backed up by my prior conviction that the Tracker was one of their fake claims, based on how they handled damo's claim.

See my earlier post re the DP. I think they lost the ability to reveal as DP because they screwed up their fake reveals in the N2 smokescreen.

I'm not sure why they didn't claim the absorber though.

[EspressoPatronum]

@xorxes. I'm skimming through Jamiet's iso right now and saw this from you:
"There is one role that is neither assigned to town nor in their list of fakes..." He asked how you knew this. Did you end up answering? And could this explain why the absorber wasn't claimed?

[xorxes]

Wow. I was totally wrong. (To make you less irate worcej, there was never a scenario where Chaqa wasn’t going to be the lynch I directed, but I wanted to not waste the day by directing the lynch too soon and just have sheep following me.)

Worcej and bozo look good. Jamie and bo look bad.

Scum team – darg, bo, Jamie, foodcoats.

Now I actually need to stop posting and drive.

I don't get darg counterclaiming Espresso (or viceversa) instead of claiming Absorber or Divine Presence. If Espresso is the only scum, he didn't even know who he would be fighting it with. If dargo is the scum, he knew it was vs Espresso, but why would he have any confidence he would win the 1v1? And what was the point, if they were not even the caw in case they lost? They just sacrificed themselves to potentially (not even for certain) get one mislynch?

The most logical explanation is that they planned a ruse so that whoever did not get lynched would gain towncred. This is backed up by my prior conviction that the Tracker was one of their fake claims, based on how they handled damo's claim.

See my earlier post re the DP. I think they lost the ability to reveal as DP because they screwed up their fake reveals in the N2 smokescreen.

I'm not sure why they didn't claim the absorber though.

If DP was their fakeclaim, they didn't know Absorber was not in play.

But it's hard to believe none of the four had the option to claim DP (Chaqa didn't). Who are the other three in your opinion?

[EspressoPatronum]

No I didn't.

You had a weird reaction to xorxes and me saying your DP self-target was bad.

No I didn't.

I calmly explained why as DP I would have picked myself. Why is that weird?

We were discussing the merits of the DP self-targets before you launched into your janitor!EP theory. You never addressed the merits of DP potentially hitting scum.

Page 149-150.

[xorxes]

@xorxes. I'm skimming through Jamiet's iso right now and saw this from you:
"There is one role that is neither assigned to town nor in their list of fakes..." He asked how you knew this. Did you end up answering? And could this explain why the absorber wasn't claimed?

Yes, I answered. They were given a list with five roles, and 15 were assigned to town. That makes 20 of the 21 roles in all.

[Jamiet99uk]

You had a weird reaction to xorxes and me saying your DP self-target was bad.

No I didn't.

I calmly explained why as DP I would have picked myself. Why is that weird?

We were discussing the merits of the DP self-targets before you launched into your janitor!EP theory. You never addressed the merits of DP potentially hitting scum.

Page 149-150.

I took the view that it wasn't worth the risk, as the chance of hitting town was greater.

The point is, nothing about my response was "weird". You're like Xorxes, pushing false narratives.

Scumteam: Dargorygel, Espresso, Xorxes, -----, ?

[EspressoPatronum]

If DP was their fakeclaim, they didn't know Absorber was not in play.

But it's hard to believe none of the four had the option to claim DP (Chaqa didn't). Who are the other three in your opinion?

In order:
Darg, bozo, foodcoats, Jamiet|bo_sox.

[EspressoPatronum]

No I didn't.

I calmly explained why as DP I would have picked myself. Why is that weird?

We were discussing the merits of the DP self-targets before you launched into your janitor!EP theory. You never addressed the merits of DP potentially hitting scum.

Page 149-150.

I took the view that it wasn't worth the risk, as the chance of hitting town was greater.

The point is, nothing about my response was "weird". You're like Xorxes, pushing false narratives.

Scumteam: Dargorygel, Espresso, Xorxes, -----, ?

Just because it wasn't weird to you doesn't mean it wasn't weird to me.

Put yourself in town!EP shoes while you're scumreading scum!Jamie. You just told him his DP theory didn't make sense + outlined a few reasons why. Next thing you know, he launches into this janitor theory based on your townslip.

It was hella weird fmpv.

[xorxes]

I just had a major townslip moment: I just noticed that the roleblocker can only act nights 2 to 4. Percy can't be roleblocked when his power activates. Everyone who wanted to lynch Percy is now more of a suspect (bozo, I'm looking at you).

[xorxes]

If DP was their fakeclaim, they didn't know Absorber was not in play.

But it's hard to believe none of the four had the option to claim DP (Chaqa didn't). Who are the other three in your opinion?

In order:
Darg, bozo, foodcoats, Jamiet|bo_sox.

Why couldn't any of them have claimed DP?

[Percy Williams]

Wow. I didn't expect Chaqa to be scum, but we finally caught one boys! This should make any of our maths people ecstatic, because this means the lover was a fakeclaim role, and the cow is gone. Also, I've gotta give kudos to Chaqa for his almost taunts that he was pretty sure he wouldn't be killed tonight. Well played.

[xorxes]

Wow. I didn't expect Chaqa to be scum, but we finally caught one boys! This should make any of our maths people ecstatic, because this means the lover was a fakeclaim role, and the cow is gone. Also, I've gotta give kudos to Chaqa for his almost taunts that he was pretty sure he wouldn't be killed tonight. Well played.

Percy, why did you never mention that you could not be roleblocked?