Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

Hmm, this makes me think Percy is our real cop.

NotHooker!Darg counterclaiming me means we lynch one of him or me. This leaves the hooker alive to block Percy's scan.

Part of the point in writing out the different %s of xorxes and bozo being more/less mafia was to suggest we vote out a different scumlean + increase our odds of lynching the hooker.

Espresso, what was that about?

[bozotheclown]

Jesus... I make a janitor assumption and get pushed by Jamie. So then I carefully read all the roles and make sure I don't make a similar assumption. I factor in the chance that we don't have the ant.....and now I'm getting pushed by you for it.

You can't win, man.

That is just why I am guessing there is no killer if you are mafia.

How would you have reacted if I assumed we had the ant? Would you have said I have insider knowledge and I am therefore scum?

No, because that assumption would be incorrect. I might think it was possibly a fake town slip.

[Percy Williams]

I think I know who I'm going to scan, but I won't reveal till last second EON, unless I can't make phase end (work might run long). I do have a slight concern about Jamiet being scum fakeclaiming oracle, not wanting a scan on him that will be proven true when I die. My current scan target will still be useful though, so I'm not too worried.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, what was the purpose of your last minute swan dive onto darg?

The only real purpose it served was to see who would react to it.

What did you gleam from my reaction to your clever reaction test?

It makes me wonder if there is still a possibility you are scum hoping to mislynch me, or if you are just looking for any excuse to scum read me because you are annoyed by the way I am playing the game. Were you implying my move to dargorygel could be scum motivated?

[xorxes]

You are playing one of the worst somehow likely town games I have ever witnessed, but unlike you, I’m only telling you that because you’re antagonizing me. I’ll go back to keeping my fucking mouth shut once you do.

First, if you think I am singling you out to badger and antagonize, then you have not been paying much attention, just ask xorxes.

Truth!

Finally, I think worcej is personally insulting me because he is scum trying to discredit me in some way.

I don't remember worcej getting so aggressive in previous games. I don't know if that's his scum meta or not, but I had him as much more jovial, which he has been at times, but then suddenly his chain snaps.

[xorxes]

How would you have reacted if I assumed we had the ant? Would you have said I have insider knowledge and I am therefore scum?

No, because that assumption would be incorrect. I might think it was possibly a fake town slip.

What do you mean? How could you know that assumption would be incorrect?

[foodcoats]

Two questions right now:

1. If Espresso is town, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2. If Espresso is scum, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2 has been addressed but I've been thinking about 1 a bunch. From every angle it is literally impossible for dargorygel to survive the 1v1 if EP is town, and exchanging 1 for 1 seems negative value for scum.

So the only conceivable reason for EP to be town is that it was a misplay by scum.

So... how are Chaqa and dargorygel reckoned as players?

[bozotheclown]

How would you have reacted if I assumed we had the ant? Would you have said I have insider knowledge and I am therefore scum?

No, because that assumption would be incorrect. I might think it was possibly a fake town slip.

What do you mean? How could you know that assumption would be incorrect?

I know that assumption would be incorrect because I verified whether or not the killer was a guaranteed role as soon as Espresso claimed tracker with the apparent knowledge that the killer was not a guaranteed role.

[xorxes]

No, because that assumption would be incorrect. I might think it was possibly a fake town slip.

What do you mean? How could you know that assumption would be incorrect?

I know that assumption would be incorrect because I verified whether or not the killer was a guaranteed role as soon as Espresso claimed tracker with the apparent knowledge that the killer was not a guaranteed role.

OK, I understand what you're saying now, but if the ant is in play, then for scum it would not be an incorrect assumtion to make, they would know for sure. That's what Espresso was saying by saying you would accuse him of having too much information.

[EspressoPatronum]

Hmm, this makes me think Percy is our real cop.

NotHooker!Darg counterclaiming me means we lynch one of him or me. This leaves the hooker alive to block Percy's scan.

Part of the point in writing out the different %s of xorxes and bozo being more/less mafia was to suggest we vote out a different scumlean + increase our odds of lynching the hooker.

Espresso, what was that about?

I don't even know at this point. All I have left is that things have gone so laughably bad that I can't possibly be scum.

Like, I get that I'm new to forum, but does scum!EP trap himself with the DP smokescreen, get locked into a CC against fellow scum, then start dropping scum knowledge on the the guy I'm trying to get lynched? On top of that, "my" whole scum team also crumbed tracker.

[EspressoPatronum]

Hmm, this makes me think Percy is our real cop.

NotHooker!Darg counterclaiming me means we lynch one of him or me. This leaves the hooker alive to block Percy's scan.

Part of the point in writing out the different %s of xorxes and bozo being more/less mafia was to suggest we vote out a different scumlean + increase our odds of lynching the hooker.

Espresso, what was that about?

I don't even know at this point. All I have left is that things have gone so laughably bad that I can't possibly be scum.

Like, I get that I'm new to forum, but does scum!EP trap himself with the DP smokescreen, get locked into a CC against fellow scum, then start dropping scum knowledge on the the guy I'm trying to get lynched? On top of that, "my" whole scum team also crumbed tracker.

If you want a real answer... I made that post before we cleared up that Percy acted on N5 and not N4. I assumed darg was taking one for the scum team to make sure the hooker could block Percy.

This assumption turned out to be incorrect on so many levels.

[EspressoPatronum]

That is just why I am guessing there is no killer if you are mafia.

How would you have reacted if I assumed we had the ant? Would you have said I have insider knowledge and I am therefore scum?

No, because that assumption would be incorrect. I might think it was possibly a fake town slip.

So you'd scum read me for correctly factoring in an assumption if maybe not having ant. If I assumed there was an ant, you would assume I was faking a town slip (i.e. scumread me).

If your scumread of me is truly predicated on this post, you need to rethink the read. Your conclusion was always going to be scum!EP, so my post is NAI at best.

If you're scum looking for BS reasons to scumread me, please carry on. Some fruitful areas have been my hidden intel on the janitor, my whole team crumbing tracker, and now my hidden intel that darg was the hooker all along. Any of those are better than your reason rn.

[bozotheclown]

What do you mean? How could you know that assumption would be incorrect?

I know that assumption would be incorrect because I verified whether or not the killer was a guaranteed role as soon as Espresso claimed tracker with the apparent knowledge that the killer was not a guaranteed role.

OK, I understand what you're saying now, but if the ant is in play, then for scum it would not be an incorrect assumtion to make, they would know for sure. That's what Espresso was saying by saying you would accuse him of having too much information.

In that case I probably would question how he knew there was a killer, after verifying it was not guaranteed.

[EspressoPatronum]

Two questions right now:

1. If Espresso is town, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2. If Espresso is scum, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2 has been addressed but I've been thinking about 1 a bunch. From every angle it is literally impossible for dargorygel to survive the 1v1 if EP is town, and exchanging 1 for 1 seems negative value for scum.

So the only conceivable reason for EP to be town is that it was a misplay by scum.

So... how are Chaqa and dargorygel reckoned as players?

This is not true. My DP smokescreen theory is another plausible reason. If they couldn't claim DP, literally any other claim would result in a CC, as even VT roles have associated animals.

[EspressoPatronum]

I know that assumption would be incorrect because I verified whether or not the killer was a guaranteed role as soon as Espresso claimed tracker with the apparent knowledge that the killer was not a guaranteed role.

OK, I understand what you're saying now, but if the ant is in play, then for scum it would not be an incorrect assumtion to make, they would know for sure. That's what Espresso was saying by saying you would accuse him of having too much information.

In that case I probably would question how he knew there was a killer, after verifying it was not guaranteed.

Again, you were going to scumread me no matter what I said, so your reason for using that post as scum indicative is faulty.

[bozotheclown]

How would you have reacted if I assumed we had the ant? Would you have said I have insider knowledge and I am therefore scum?

No, because that assumption would be incorrect. I might think it was possibly a fake town slip.

So you'd scum read me for correctly factoring in an assumption if maybe not having ant. If I assumed there was an ant, you would assume I was faking a town slip (i.e. scumread me).

If your scumread of me is truly predicated on this post, you need to rethink the read. Your conclusion was always going to be scum!EP, so my post is NAI at best.

If you're scum looking for BS reasons to scumread me, please carry on. Some fruitful areas have been my hidden intel on the janitor, my whole team crumbing tracker, and now my hidden intel that darg was the hooker all along. Any of those are better than your reason rn.

As I previously pointed out, your assumption that the killer was not a guaranteed role was not why I think you are scum, it was just why I was speculating there is no killer if you are scum. I did find your lack of knowledge that the tracker could track any scum performing the NK suspicious, because that is the kind of thing I would expect you would verify if you are the real tracker.

[foodcoats]

Two questions right now:

1. If Espresso is town, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2. If Espresso is scum, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2 has been addressed but I've been thinking about 1 a bunch. From every angle it is literally impossible for dargorygel to survive the 1v1 if EP is town, and exchanging 1 for 1 seems negative value for scum.

So the only conceivable reason for EP to be town is that it was a misplay by scum.

So... how are Chaqa and dargorygel reckoned as players?

This is not true. My DP smokescreen theory is another plausible reason. If they couldn't claim DP, literally any other claim would result in a CC, as even VT roles have associated animals.

The counterclaim guarantees one scum would die, that's my point. They could argue their way through DP if it is a fake claim, or they might have absorber.

But I also just remembered this happened before we lynched the cow, so maybe they thought the claim could lead to a super turn.

Also it seems you're arguing that you must be scum?

[foodcoats]

That last sentence was phrased poorly on my part EP, whatever my reads I try not to be a provocative jackass online.

[bozotheclown]

Two questions right now:

1. If Espresso is town, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2. If Espresso is scum, what was Dargorygel hoping to achieve there?

2 has been addressed but I've been thinking about 1 a bunch. From every angle it is literally impossible for dargorygel to survive the 1v1 if EP is town, and exchanging 1 for 1 seems negative value for scum.

So the only conceivable reason for EP to be town is that it was a misplay by scum.

So... how are Chaqa and dargorygel reckoned as players?

This is not true. My DP smokescreen theory is another plausible reason. If they couldn't claim DP, literally any other claim would result in a CC, as even VT roles have associated animals.

I agree this is a possibility, if all the mafia really would have been caught if they tried to claim DP, they might try a counterclaim as a better option, however unlikely to succeed. They might have even realized they could get Espresso lynched after dargorygel.

[bozotheclown]

OK, I understand what you're saying now, but if the ant is in play, then for scum it would not be an incorrect assumtion to make, they would know for sure. That's what Espresso was saying by saying you would accuse him of having too much information.

In that case I probably would question how he knew there was a killer, after verifying it was not guaranteed.

Again, you were going to scumread me no matter what I said, so your reason for using that post as scum indicative is faulty.

I think I already addressed this.