Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh yeah that time you forcefully outed the Masons. That was so towny and heroic of you.

[flash2015]

Oh yeah that time you forcefully outed the Masons. That was so towny and heroic of you.

Why was this that bad? They don't have any real PR power. And it gave us two town clears.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh yeah that time you forcefully outed the Masons. That was so towny and heroic of you.

Why was this that bad? They don't have any real PR power. And it gave us two town clears.

Because they should get to decide when they reveal.

[xorxes]

Oh yeah that time you forcefully outed the Masons. That was so towny and heroic of you.

Only one of them, the other one had already outed himself.

And if I hadn't done it D2, he would have had to out D3 or D4 because Hosuke would have kept being a lynch candidate. Once one of them outed, they would not be left alone for long without the other having to out. And although my first intention was to leave them alone, there was so much animosity towards damo and Percy for claiming under presure that I really didn't have many other options in order to save them. And as I said at the time Hosuke was never in danger as long as his claim was true, because he could prove it.

And of course I wasn't the only one responsible for outing Fox. I was one of the most outspoken ones, but I could not have done it without others that supported the idea with their votes.

[flash2015]

Oh yeah that time you forcefully outed the Masons. That was so towny and heroic of you.

Why was this that bad? They don't have any real PR power. And it gave us two town clears.

Because they should get to decide when they reveal.

But one already had.

[xorxes]

Oh yeah that time you forcefully outed the Masons. That was so towny and heroic of you.

Why was this that bad? They don't have any real PR power. And it gave us two town clears.

Because they should get to decide when they reveal.

They decided (correctly) to reveal when one of them was under pressure. That's how it works, if they didn't want to reveal they should have looked more towny to begin with so that no pressure could be put on them.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, do you think I will be proven town or scum tomorrow, and why?

I still think you are town. I thought you were likely town on D4 when you pointed out the double vote, which I had forgotten about, and when you questioned worcej and Jamie about worcej implying he was the oracle. It was the start of D5 when I thought you were correct about Jamie and worcej, when worcej posted the following:

@Worcej, did you or did you not soft Oracle?

I did try to soft it to try to draw the NK. I also wanted to show that I didn’t mind being mislynched early, which is true. As one of the few VTs in this setup, I felt my job was to protect PRs any way possible. Sacrificing myself is one way to do this.

I still think Jamie is scum, but I am not as sure about Espresso. I think it is still possible that instead of trying to clear Espresso as the tracker, that the mafia were trying to get him lynched with dargorygel.

[xorxes]

The people voting for Hosuke D2 were:

foodcoats
damo
xorxes
brain
worcej

then

food moved to Chaqa
brain moved to dargo
xorxes moved to emc
damo moved to bozo
worcej stayed till the end.

So at least three confirmed town, one soon to be confirmed town, and foodcoats that started the wagon and was the first one to leave when Fox claimed. I suppose everyone left as soon as they read the claim, and worcej didn't make it to EOD.

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo: TOWN
Espresso: SCUM
flash: [won't respond so he doesn't look bad]
foodcoats:
Jamiet: SCUM

[EspressoPatronum]

Like I said earlier, my money is 2on/1off the worcej wagon

But which two on, and which one off? Throwing numbers like that is saying next to nothing if you don't give a reason why you would think that.

The only one off-wagon besides yourself is bo_sox, and you have already stated you think I'm scum, so you are saying it's me, bo_sox and one of bozo/flash/Jamiet/food, correct? Why not say straight up that you think bo_sox is scum instead of saying 2on/1off? Why do you think bo_sox is scum?

Ah, I think I understand now why you're asking if we think you're scum. Is it to figure out consistency of our scum team guesses?

To you, my scum!xorxes means I have you in the scum team with 2 others. I've been doing half scumteam setup / half POE, but I've been moving more toward doing a PoE solve as we've got further into the game. I'm more treating it like people are scum until I think they are town. Once they're in my townblock, I no longer consider them as lynch options. So by saying I think you're scum, I'm not necessarily saying my other scumreads are gone. I'm just saying you're not in my town block (yet!) and I'm happy to lynch you.

In my town group / the people I am not going to lynch over others, I have flash, me, Fox, and hosu. I had worcej in there, too. When/if you reveal IC, I'll add you to the block. As long as we're lynching outside of that block, I'm pretty happy. I'm working toward adding Jamie into it, but I'm not fully sold yet.

The effect of this is that my scumreads look a little fluid when you ask for my scumteam reads.

[EspressoPatronum]

To put the above post succinctly, I think it's better to build a town block than build the scum team.

By your reply, I am assuming you are doing the latter.

[xorxes]

Ah, I think I understand now why you're asking if we think you're scum. Is it to figure out consistency of our scum team guesses?

I'm interested in the reasons people have to scumread me or townread me. What parts of the game they are paying attention to.

In my town group / the people I am not going to lynch over others, I have flash, me, Fox, and hosu.

Mentioning Fox, Hosu and yourself is a bit pointless, but ok.

What you seem to be telling me is that at this stage of the game you have one townread and nothing else. Can you expand on your flash townread. I think flash is likely town based mostly on one post by dargo, but nothing flash himself has done. What makes you consider flash the most likley town of the unclears?

I had worcej in there, too.

You did, but I never really understood why.

When/if you reveal IC, I'll add you to the block.

Again, that's too obvious to require mentioning.

As long as we're lynching outside of that block, I'm pretty happy. I'm working toward adding Jamie into it, but I'm not fully sold yet.

Well if you do, and once I'm clear, you will only have bozo/bo_sox/foodcoats left. What about Jamie strikes you as town indicative?

The effect of this is that my scumreads look a little fluid when you ask for my scumteam reads.

That's not a problem. The problem is I don't know why you think flash is town, and what makes you think Jamie might be.

[ItsHosuke]

I think Hosuke has kinda switched off since he was cleared. Come on, ItsHosuke, let's get involved.

Why are you voting for me?
Who are your other scumreads?
Do you think Espresso is scum?

Oh hey, I know the lynch is over but let's answer these questions. Real life took a toll on me :/

I voted for you as I townread worcej but am hesitant to tie the vote as the EoDs have been unusually quiet. I'm pretty sure either one or both of bozo/xorxes is scum, espresso I don't have a clear read on

[Jamiet99uk]

Actually yeah @Espresso: Can you explain your sudden townread on me? It was something to do with "scientific analysis" but unless you hacked into my blood test results from the hospital, I'm not sure what you mean.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have ordered my new reveal.
I'm not saying who it is.

[xorxes]

Scenario 1: Scum notice Vapor announcing to anyone who wants to hear that he will track flash. Scum!flash just happens to be the ant so he has no choice but to be the one doing the kill, so they panic and send dargo to roleblock Vapor. Next day first thing dargo does is vote for flash, even though nobody else was really buying any of that.

Scenario 2: Scum notice Vapor announcing to anyone who wants to hear that he will track flash. They know it doesn't mean anything because they have the Tracker claim. Since they are not afraid of any tracker, they send dargo to roleblock Vapor in order to frame flash. Next day first thing dargo does is vote for flash, even though nobody else was really buying any of that.

Personally, I think scenario 2 is way more likley, which means EP is scum and flash is town. If you buy scenario 1, then EP is town and flash is scum.

That's my number one reason for townreading flash. I would really be interested in understanding the reasons EP has for having flash as his single townread.

[xorxes]

I have ordered my new reveal.
I'm not saying who it is.

Who cares though?

If you are scum, your fake reveal is irrelevant.

If you are town, your reaveal is also irrelevant because you won't be NKd and if you are mislynched we lose. Tomorrow is 5-3: we mislynch, we lose.

So you are either scum or just another VT at this point. Let us please not waste any time discussing your either fake or wasted reveal.

[Jamiet99uk]

Shit wait is it LyLo tomorrow?

[Jamiet99uk]

I thought tomorrow was MyLo.

[Jamiet99uk]

No, shit, basically tomorrow it's lynch scum or lose, that's right.