MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[Nephthys]

I could lynch Yav. Never understand what he's trying to say.

welp no-one seems interested in Durga,

##vote yav

And as soon as someone shows intrest you just jump on me. And damo you don't even have an actual reason. Did scum choose me to lynch at this point?

Thats kinda what happens when someone expresses interest in a wagon you've suggested. Sorry.

[Vecna]

Mods, no final votecount?

They are new, some slack should be cut.

Its not like I was roasting their balls of or something, it was just a question/reminder

[Nephthys]

I would like to point out I correctly predicted Ezio would be useless. You all mocked me, but..
If I die tonight, my final wish is that you all lynch Ezio.

@Vecna, I know you were hoping for a more analytical Claesar. I'm saving that for later, when the game becomes a bit more manageable. I'm keeping notes though.

Do these form any semblance of reads or anything at all you want to share?

[damo666]

I would like to point out I correctly predicted Ezio would be useless. You all mocked me, but..
If I die tonight, my final wish is that you all lynch Ezio.

@Vecna, I know you were hoping for a more analytical Claesar. I'm saving that for later, when the game becomes a bit more manageable. I'm keeping notes though.

Presumably Ezio will be subbed

[rdrivera2005]

Ok we need to get a decent lynch here. Based on connections I am happy to lynch

Moscow
Durga
Yav

Once again this comes back to lynching someone that has connections.

For example if we lynch yav and he flips scum, I start to look at flav more suspicious etc.

While I agree your opinions about not lynching a lurker, you're pushing me and my wagon was a scum motivated wagon. Yes, a lynch that explains is better BUT you can't lynch someone just because of their connections. That's not a town logic why do you lynch me other than gaining a clue about flavius?

Well you didn't convince me you were town and I think I made it clear through my voting that you weren't my first choice. As a third choice I was quite happy to lynch you.

Also it seemed none of my other wagons were gaining steam and you will note that I said lynching bo was literally the worst thing we could have done

Not exactly correct. Both me and Vecna show interest on lynching Moscow. Why you didn't push his wagon if it's your first choice?

[Nephthys]

While I agree your opinions about not lynching a lurker, you're pushing me and my wagon was a scum motivated wagon. Yes, a lynch that explains is better BUT you can't lynch someone just because of their connections. That's not a town logic why do you lynch me other than gaining a clue about flavius?

Well you didn't convince me you were town and I think I made it clear through my voting that you weren't my first choice. As a third choice I was quite happy to lynch you.

Also it seemed none of my other wagons were gaining steam and you will note that I said lynching bo was literally the worst thing we could have done

Not exactly correct. Both me and Vecna show interest on lynching Moscow. Why you didn't push his wagon if it's your first choice?

I did, I sat on him for hours, no momentum gained. I moved on.

[Claesar]

I would like to point out I correctly predicted Ezio would be useless. You all mocked me, but..
If I die tonight, my final wish is that you all lynch Ezio.

Do these form any semblance of reads or anything at all you want to share?

Yes, it does. I already posted part of my reasoning yesterday. Will post more in a couple of hours. I like to space it to increase the chances of it actually being read by someone.

Presumably Ezio will be subbed

If there are subs. He shouldn't be allowed to play, but I'm not in charge. If he's subbed out, I will start contributing with reads on other people. For now there's no reason to when there's an obvious scum to kill.

[yavuzovic]

@Neph you're my top scumread. That may look like retalliating but you were really willing to kill me and as I know I'm town I only think you tried to eliminate me.

[dargorygel]

I would like to point out I correctly predicted Ezio would be useless. You all mocked me, but..
If I die tonight, my final wish is that you all lynch Ezio.

Do these form any semblance of reads or anything at all you want to share?

Yes, it does. I already posted part of my reasoning yesterday. Will post more in a couple of hours. I like to space it to increase the chances of it actually being read by someone.

Presumably Ezio will be subbed

If there are subs. He shouldn't be allowed to play, but I'm not in charge. If he's subbed out, I will start contributing with reads on other people. For now there's no reason to when there's an obvious scum to kill.

Would the EzioSub change status suddenly if replaced? Is Ezio's only scum evidence his lurking, or his Ezioness? I'd like to see what led you to such sureness about Ezio whether there is a New Ezio or not.

[dargorygel]

@yavu... why was the wagon on you scum motivated? Or rather why do you know/think it was?

[Claesar]

Would the EzioSub change status suddenly if replaced? Is Ezio's only scum evidence his lurking, or his Ezioness? I'd like to see what led you to such sureness about Ezio whether there is a New Ezio or not.

The sub would still be very likely scum, but also potentially a useful player. It changes the equation, but not by much.

[damo666]

Would the EzioSub change status suddenly if replaced? Is Ezio's only scum evidence his lurking, or his Ezioness? I'd like to see what led you to such sureness about Ezio whether there is a New Ezio or not.

The sub would still be very likely scum, but also potentially a useful player. It changes the equation, but not by much.

They could be a useful TOWN player. That's an equation breaker.

[yavuzovic]

@yavu... why was the wagon on you scum motivated? Or rather why do you know/think it was?

Because a player suggests killing me, then another obeys that and the first one comes and creates a wagon. Doesn't that look like a scum behaviour?

[Claesar]

Would the EzioSub change status suddenly if replaced? Is Ezio's only scum evidence his lurking, or his Ezioness? I'd like to see what led you to such sureness about Ezio whether there is a New Ezio or not.

The sub would still be very likely scum, but also potentially a useful player. It changes the equation, but not by much.

They could be a useful TOWN player. That's an equation breaker.

The sub would still be very likely scum, but also potentially a useful player. It changes the equation, but not by much.

[bozotheclown]

Sorry I missed EOD. bo_sox self voting when he was already the top wagon was odd, it looks like he did not even know the vote count. One interesting thing from EOD is that rdrivera got within one vote of bo_sox at 38 minutes before EOD, but then his wagon disappeared. No one else even received a third vote until Vecna voted for yavuzovic with one minute left.

[Percy Williams]

With a number of clicks hisses, and pops, like an off brand cereal, Electronic Moose, ctric, electric mouse, the silent beast that confused us all, began to move. All of the cavemen rushed to the creature, and the metal cracked open to reveal a person inside a suit.
"Wuz stuc!" Exclaimed a very hairy, almost bear-like creature that Emc had named Jamiet. The tribe accepted this creature as one of their own surprisingly quickly, perhaps from their loss of their most advanced creature, without really talking with them.

TLDR
Jamiet99uk has replaced Electronic Moose

[Percy Williams]

Jamiet99uk IS REPLACING ElectronicMoose
For the Bot.

[Vecna]

sup jamiet

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello there.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have read up to page 10, and to that point, I see one or perhaps two people softing or crumbing Doc. I also see one person, who should know better, apparently PR fishing, *cough* Bozotheclown. I see Moscow perhaps townslipping, or perhaps faking a townslip. Xorxes looks town.

I think lynching lurkers in this set up is a good idea. So far my slot has been king lurker, but that's gonna change.

I don't like Durga claiming that she is going to be drunk all week. This smells fake. She's currently TD for a major ongoing tournament, and has been replying promptly to messages and PMs about the tourney. I think she's relying on the fact that she's a frequent lurker, and anchoring. #2 scumread currently.

Alternate scumteam is Flav and Darg.

Interesting nobody responded to Ezio's item claim.

I am enjoying the amount of flavour. Only a minority of GMs (in which I include myself) take the time to put real work into the flavour, and I'm glad to see it here.