Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[Durga]

why is damo town again

[damo666]

why is damo town again

again?

Always have been!

[rdrivera2005]

Forget that. Why switch from Ike to Yav?

bc yav is doing exactly what he did last game as scum

This is what is bothering me most. Would him do exactly the same thing? I find really hard to read Yav, I always think "scum won't do this", but last game proved me wrong.
I still don't like the way Flash is playing, I don't remember him being afraid of giving reads on the last games where he was town.

[bo_sox48]

He was widely scumread before he started doing the same thing he did last game.

[ND]

why is damo town again

Seriously doubt he is town

[ghug]

Balki asked yav vs. RHK: definitely yav. I don't really see anything scummy in RHK. He's just my null read that vote analysis damns the most. I also think it's entirely possible they could both be scum.

RHK asked about my questioning of the Ike wagon: it's the only one of these wagons I don't like, and it appeared really suddenly with very little reasoning given, which is irksome.

[flash2015]

Flash, you know that when you try to buddy someone you're supposed to be sort of subtle so that when people reread you, the person you buddied looks bad. You are so obviously trying to drop my name in ways that will make me look bad after you flip and it's honestly funny.

Ghug, I'm voting Ike in no small part because of the conversation he had with you. I like voting off of what I saw in the early game. I feel like people's intentions are clearest when they haven't had time to coordinate and when they're a little bit nervous about jumping in. The main reason I voted him today, though, was for the same reason that you voted flash. This shouldn't be a runaway train on yav, and so far it hasn't been.

So I read you wrong then? Your posts are scummy?

It is ironic that you make that claim while you buddy ghug hard in the same post. Now that is ballsy.

[ghug]

Flash, you know that when you try to buddy someone you're supposed to be sort of subtle so that when people reread you, the person you buddied looks bad. You are so obviously trying to drop my name in ways that will make me look bad after you flip and it's honestly funny.

Ghug, I'm voting Ike in no small part because of the conversation he had with you. I like voting off of what I saw in the early game. I feel like people's intentions are clearest when they haven't had time to coordinate and when they're a little bit nervous about jumping in. The main reason I voted him today, though, was for the same reason that you voted flash. This shouldn't be a runaway train on yav, and so far it hasn't been.

So I read you wrong then? Your posts are scummy?

It is ironic that you make that claim while you buddy ghug hard in the same post. Now that is ballsy.

How is answering my question buddying?

[ND]

so possible scum team: yav, damo, Flash/Jamie, (Ezio -confirmed) and a mystery player? Like Balki maybe. That final player is probably deep cover and will be a major threat, but yav, flash, damo are easy. I think we have this, but can't get complacent.

[flash2015]

Flash, you know that when you try to buddy someone you're supposed to be sort of subtle so that when people reread you, the person you buddied looks bad. You are so obviously trying to drop my name in ways that will make me look bad after you flip and it's honestly funny.

Ghug, I'm voting Ike in no small part because of the conversation he had with you. I like voting off of what I saw in the early game. I feel like people's intentions are clearest when they haven't had time to coordinate and when they're a little bit nervous about jumping in. The main reason I voted him today, though, was for the same reason that you voted flash. This shouldn't be a runaway train on yav, and so far it hasn't been.

So I read you wrong then? Your posts are scummy?

It is ironic that you make that claim while you buddy ghug hard in the same post. Now that is ballsy.

How is answering my question buddying?

He is buddying you hard on the Flash vote.

I am just hoping someone has a gun and get it over with to show how completely misguided you are in your read of me (If you are town, of course - I have assumed so far that you are).

[ghug]

So I read you wrong then? Your posts are scummy?

It is ironic that you make that claim while you buddy ghug hard in the same post. Now that is ballsy.

How is answering my question buddying?

He is buddying you hard on the Flash vote.

I am just hoping someone has a gun and get it over with to show how completely misguided you are in your read of me (If you are town, of course - I have assumed so far that you are).

I recall you voting for me on two separate occasions. You've thought I was town the whole time?

[bo_sox48]

So I read you wrong then? Your posts are scummy?

It is ironic that you make that claim while you buddy ghug hard in the same post. Now that is ballsy.

I have no doubt that some of my posts are scummy, especially because I have learned not to particularly care if some of my posts are scummy.

I don't see where I buddied ghug, but if you could demonstrate it so that I could reply to your accusation instead of simply throwing it at me and hoping I'll catch it and take off running, that would be great.

In keeping with my own request, let's take this post of yours apart:

Why do you think Bo is slightly on the scum side? I would call him town. He seems to be actively trying to solve...with a healthy dose of towny idgaf. He was the first to point out that we should lynch Ezio after Xerxes got NK.

If you're actually looking for the answer to a question, you're going to ask the question and let the person answer it themselves, no? That's what I do. You'll see a number of posts in this thread where I pose a question that should have a fairly scripted answer, but I'm not trying to answer the question myself. That doesn't move things forward. But that's beside the point, because you're talking to a townclear, so let's just suppose that you don't actually care about the townclear's answer. You're trying to convince him to buy into yours.

So you think I'm town. You think I am actively trying to solve the game - true - and you think I have "a healthy dose of towny idgaf" - also true. These are both true, albeit vague, points that point to me being town. So why is the best thing you've got to support, corroborate, or add on to those first two points that I was the first to point out that we should lynch Ezio after xorxes clearly called him out? It's not as if I wasn't one of at least 12 people hitting the refresh button every 30 seconds waiting on the EON flavor or as if I wasn't one of at least a good portion of those dozen or so people who saw dead xorxes and "COP" and immediately scanned for his EON reads. That's pretty obvious.

Hell, if I were the one in your shoes having to gauge the immediate reactions of the beginning of that day, I might even say this: the first person that jumped on xorxes' last reads before his death was probably the most opportunistic of the bunch because he was hitting refresh every 30 seconds waiting on the EON flavor, because he knew that xorxes was about to turn over dead and already took note of his EON reads, and maybe, just maybe, because he and his scumbuddies had already discussed the possibility that xorxes was the cop and had a beat on one of them. What's the best play there? Duh, get the towncred about your teammate's expense. It's a team game, not an individual game.

If I were the one trying to convince a town clear that bo, a guy that I have not stepped out of line to defend once this game in any meaningful fashion and a guy that is in no danger of actually seeing a rope, I would never in a million years have considered bo town because he was the first to jump on Ezio. At best, bo saw the flip and immediately knew what he needed to do - find the last read. At best, that's NAI. At worst, bo saw the flip and immediately knew what he needed to do - bus him mate. That is obviously not NAI.

[Durga]

Does scum yav claim a PR instead of miller? Unless he's really under the impression xorx scanned him?

[yavuzovic]

Does scum yav claim a PR instead of miller? Unless he's really under the impression xorx scanned him?

I
Did
Know
I
Was
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Scanned

[Squigs44]

##vote flash

[yavuzovic]

##vote flash

Just to save myself. I don't know why people are voting for flash. I'm certainly town, and flash has a chance to be scum. I can't say his role but I can't onow if he is town. At least it's more likely scum than me.

[yavuzovic]

Balki is 100% town

[damo666]

Does scum yav claim a PR instead of miller? Unless he's really under the impression xorx scanned him?

No. Cc.

[damo666]

##unend

[damo666]

Ok we now seem to have Yav v Flash.

Is anybody townreading either of these and why?

I think all three wagons are scum but jic there is a townie there we don't want a mislynch.

So, anybody with strong townlreans please shout.

Also there is a small but >0 chance that scum may have an extra vote from box (sorry Dr) so top wagon must be at least 2 ahead at EOD.