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ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:02 am

The damndaniel tag is worse for scum, I think. It makes visits especially awkward, and it lessen's the team's voting impact much more considerably than it does for town. Add to that that my odds of being daniel are significantly higher than of being bo, and I think a peek would be worthwhile as scum.

I doubt the huge risk compensates the minor gain. You can find out just by voting different than Fox without any of that risk.

Maybe the voting block startegy is good to prevent the other one from finding out, in case they're scum.

I'm fond of my own abilities, and we're out of PRs for whom dying is necessarily bad, so NK avoidance is a worthwhile goal.

Ah, not so modest now. OK, I'll accept that, but from anybody else's perspective who is also fond of their abilities, this is detrimental to town, as it increases their chances of being nk'd.

Ensuring that we're aware of what the vote count is going to be before the day ends is also a worthwhile goal, I think. Would you disagree?

Yes, I would agree. Yet you acted strictly against that very principle on D1.

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:04 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:00 am

It seems to me that only Mafia would be concerned with having it known that they have the DD nametag.

Oh because having the tag means you can't visit anyone??? I feel like, if scum had the tag, they would have gotten that person to visit someone on n1 - so the fact that one of ghug or fox has it, kind of clears them both in my mind.

How? If they had lost the tag, we would know that one of them was scum. They can't risk losing it until the endgame.

Whichever one has the DD tag had it D1, which means they started with it, so both are as likely to be scum as anyone else. If we find out who has the DD tag we can just lynch him to find out if he is scum, since his vote is no help to town, and scum will never visit him.

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:04 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:00 am

It seems to me that only Mafia would be concerned with having it known that they have the DD nametag.

Oh because having the tag means you can't visit anyone??? I feel like, if scum had the tag, they would have gotten that person to visit someone on n1 - so the fact that one of ghug or fox has it, kind of clears them both in my mind.

It doesn't clear either of us, as long as there's a third mafia who could be conducting the NK, ghug and I could both be mafia and still not have peeked.

Hey guys... Has anyone been roleblocked at all... In this game?

I think I want to know which one of you has the tag. You essentially become unkillable, and when we're down to the last scum it'll be key in knowing. So someone peak.

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:23 am

Hey guys... Has anyone been roleblocked at all... In this game?

There have been no rb claims.

I am not inclined to peek yet. I'd rather keep scum guessing.

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:04 am

Oh because having the tag means you can't visit anyone??? I feel like, if scum had the tag, they would have gotten that person to visit someone on n1 - so the fact that one of ghug or fox has it, kind of clears them both in my mind.

It's actually very possible that it was just given to one of the other people on brain by any of the three of us who were options after day one. If the lynch is really beyond us mattering today, we should probably vote together on a wagon alone just to ensure that, though I hope we're not in a position where votes matter that little.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:12 am

Maybe the voting block startegy is good to prevent the other one from finding out, in case they're scum.

It's almost like I said that...
I still think the scum play is to peek there though. Clearly we differ on our willingness to gamble.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:12 am

OK, I'll accept that, but from anybody else's perspective who is also fond of their abilities, this is detrimental to town, as it increases their chances of being nk'd.

Anti-them, not anti-town. It only provides protection if we're townies, since scum are never going to nightkill themselves anyway, and determining which of us has it would only offer protection to the townie without a vote, who is certainly the less useful townie from a strictly mechanical standpoint.

@Bozo, lynching someone just for having the tag when we're this low on remaining mislynches is pretty dumb.


Durga's right though, xorxes. Let's move on. I'm not going to peek. Vote one of us for it if you think not revealing is that scummy. Otherwise, vote for someone else. Mostly, vote for someone. I continue to have a hard time believing you'd care this little about deducing other players' alignments if you were town.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:27 am

I am not inclined to peek yet. I'd rather keep scum guessing.

So what, you're confident ghug is town or something?

I find it really fucking weird that both of you would rather work together to keep "scum from guessing"

GUYS - ONE OF YOU IS THE ROLEBLOCKER SO JUST TELL ME WHO IT IS.

Yavuz wasn't rb'd because the roleblocker is DammmDaniel. That's why they had to kill Yavuz. No one in their right fucking mind would waste a kill on Yavuz while the rb is alive.

So.
Just.
Tell.
Me.
Who.

I don't think scum has any use for the RB any more. They did not even have to worry about the doc N1, so they probably did not use it at all, although I am surprised they did not at least RB yavuzovic N1 since he clearly hinted he was the cop.

It's because they're dammdaniel, it's obvious now that I think about it a little. It's the weirdest part of this entire game.

So either one of you peek, or I'm lynching both of you.

@Durga: I think you just answered my question before I asked it.

If a time comes where I very strongly suspect Fox is scum, or if bo is revealed and the chance of him not peeking as scum goes away, I'll peek (though especially in the latter case I'm still unsure whether I'd tell everyone right away).

I think it's actually decently likely that this game will be entirely roleblockless. They didn't need it to kill Vecna given that he'd so kindly killed our doctor for them, and nobody else claimed an N1 roleblock. Once yavuz was revealed, it became entirely irrelevant unless they planned to repeatedly use it on him. It's possible they rbed snowy, I guess? That could make sense.

@xorxes: Lynching DD would not be a mislynch because they have no vote. It is like a no lynch though, which could throw things off.

##vote ghug

The pros outweigh the cons here. That's scummy shit and you know it

If DD is town, then lynching DD is dumb, because it produces a townclear when there's only one scum left (if we manage that), and that townclear can't be killed without revealing who the final scum is. Unfortunately, it probably doesn't matter, because it could very well be LyLo when you would test that, but there's a chance it wouldn't be...

I do not think a town clear without a vote is of any use.