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I think they genuinely just forgot or else didn't know docsaves were notified. You figure he would just mirror worcej's story rather than claiming that the mafia gave us an extra miskill and strongly implicated a second member of their team just to set up a frame on him.
Oh, that's actually a good point.Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:09 pmTo expand:
He would have to claim either:
1. He protected Bona
2. He protected a teammate, who would have to cover for him
That second would essentially be a very bad 2-for-2.
The first, why would doc!Bozo ever protect Bona, the one who pushed him out?
Bozo had to claim he didn't make a save
Hmm ill concede your argument is fine. It wouldnt have mattered since indeed a safe on Bona was never going to fly after Bona tried to dumpster him hard.Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:09 pmTo expand:
He would have to claim either:
1. He protected Bona
2. He protected a teammate, who would have to cover for him
That second would essentially be a very bad 2-for-2.
The first, why would doc!Bozo ever protect Bona, the one who pushed him out?
Bozo had to claim he didn't make a save
I don’t understand you. It makes perfect sense. The reason NOT to do it is that this way Bona isn’t an auto townclear. Now Bona is tied to worcej. But I don’t think I would have figured that out in the moment.
Omg I fucking died right on video one. Why are you so funny.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:06 pmHere is how I imagine some of the other players sound.
Bozotheclown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebK4wX76RZ4
BunnyGo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExr7UlyUlU
Chaqa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsYaxD5wL6c
Ghug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy5O-FUeEjM
Damo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXczSof201U
Durga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4paWOf1t5Q
Kgray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUftP9dKS-E
Worcej:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw
Vecna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsxbRQmhco
I mean the second last point is fair but if I wanted to make it competitive against two people that could verify each other that's what I'd doChaqa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:09 pmTo expand:
He would have to claim either:
1. He protected Bona
2. He protected a teammate, who would have to cover for him
That second would essentially be a very bad 2-for-2.
The first, why would doc!Bozo ever protect Bona, the one who pushed him out?
Bozo had to claim he didn't make a save
I literally started dying right after the first cat. Every video was gold.Durga wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:11 pmOmg I fucking died right on video one. Why are you so funny.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:06 pmHere is how I imagine some of the other players sound.
Bozotheclown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebK4wX76RZ4
BunnyGo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExr7UlyUlU
Chaqa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsYaxD5wL6c
Ghug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy5O-FUeEjM
Damo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXczSof201U
Durga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4paWOf1t5Q
Kgray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUftP9dKS-E
Worcej:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw
Vecna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsxbRQmhco
I mean, it ultimately works in your favor regardless, because these are the typical moments when theres always a few townies getting a tad bit suspicious of me. Scum will have that all-present feeling that itll be impossible to get me daykilled and that theyd really stand out as weird for being suspicious of me.Fluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:08 pmLol, I mainly just feel really confusedBunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:02 pmThe only response.Fluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:00 pmThis is probably the first mafia game I've ever played where I feel like someone is trying to make me feel guilty and a bad person for pushing someone as scum.
ok, fine - ill just stop assuming theyre all rickrollsTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:15 pmI literally started dying right after the first cat. Every video was gold.Durga wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:11 pmOmg I fucking died right on video one. Why are you so funny.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:06 pmHere is how I imagine some of the other players sound.
Bozotheclown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebK4wX76RZ4
BunnyGo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExr7UlyUlU
Chaqa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsYaxD5wL6c
Ghug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy5O-FUeEjM
Damo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXczSof201U
Durga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4paWOf1t5Q
Kgray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUftP9dKS-E
Worcej:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw
Vecna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsxbRQmhco
Oh no, I wasn't talking about you thereVecna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:15 pmI mean, it ultimately works in your favor regardless, because these are the typical moments when theres always a few townies getting a tad bit suspicious of me. Scum will have that all-present feeling that itll be impossible to get me daykilled and that theyd really stand out as weird for being suspicious of me.
Too bad youre still a baby kangaroo just along for the ride in Chaqa's pouch. Im sure soon you'll be skippying around and carrying us to a victory in the endgame when we need u the most.
I assumed this was about kgrayFluminator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:16 pmOh no, I wasn't talking about you thereVecna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:15 pmI mean, it ultimately works in your favor regardless, because these are the typical moments when theres always a few townies getting a tad bit suspicious of me. Scum will have that all-present feeling that itll be impossible to get me daykilled and that theyd really stand out as weird for being suspicious of me.
Too bad youre still a baby kangaroo just along for the ride in Chaqa's pouch. Im sure soon you'll be skippying around and carrying us to a victory in the endgame when we need u the most.
Let's get this breadPresident Eden wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 pmBunny will probably figure this out first. If not him then Bona
Kind of off topic but I would discourage people from reading too much into whether someone wants to kill off bozo today or not. There’s decent pro-town arguments for both sides—I’m more persuaded by the idea that the harder we make the WIFOM battle for mafia the better our odds that Chaqa gets a scan off, but Vecna makes a good point that it’s possible the game bogs down (although it hasnt yet that may change)
sad timessnowy801 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 pmit's let's get this bread but like 1 letter forward
yrg'f trg guvf oernqBonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:19 pmLet's get this breadPresident Eden wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 pmBunny will probably figure this out first. If not him then Bona
Kind of off topic but I would discourage people from reading too much into whether someone wants to kill off bozo today or not. There’s decent pro-town arguments for both sides—I’m more persuaded by the idea that the harder we make the WIFOM battle for mafia the better our odds that Chaqa gets a scan off, but Vecna makes a good point that it’s possible the game bogs down (although it hasnt yet that may change)
Even if it's random it's town-indicative, and I think you'd agree if you were trying to figure out the game.TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:53 pm>How do you parse scum!lfischl voting for bozo and not bona if you think bona is conftown and bozo is confscum?
Did lfischl ever consider voting bona? I don't know why bona is the comp here. I think it is pretty easy to square away as random though. The guy had unexplained scum reads on bozo, Eden, and Jamie beyond Eden and Jamie fighting a lot (mutually exclusive reads between Eden and Jamie). I suppose the fact he lazily threw a vote on lfischl for unclear reasons and then just left does lean credence to the idea he's just inactive town, which is fair. Thanks.
It wasn't that I thought worcej was more likely to be town than Jasnah, it was that his push felt wrong to me. I just made a decision when Chaqa claimed, I didn't have a million reasons for it. I don't understand why you think it could be scum-motivated, now that you know worcej is town.>Did you really just copy and paste a previous read you had of me and add some stuff about being worried I'm gaslighting you? And please explain why my D1 voting was scummy. I have not heard you give a reason that makes sense to me. Especially since worcej is now conf!town - why would I as scum have any incentive to vote him out over jasnah after Chaqa claimed? Why is moving to jasnah scummy?
I have a semi-continuously evolving doc that I add and remove stuff from when I feel like it. The Day 1 part for you hasn't changed like it has for other so it stayed there as it informs the rest. I thought I explained it pretty though roughly earlier, but Cha -> Jas is weird because most people voted Jasnah because of a strong belief in the towniness of Jasnah and a strong desire to avoid a town kill. I liked the justification that you gave on Day 1 for voting to save her with like 6-7 hours left in the day because it was coherent and sound. I didn't recall you mentioning why you had a town read on Worcej at point in Day 1 when I made my list and now that I've reread your Day 1 posts I still don't see it. I see some claims that you didn't like it or didn't get it but I saw no actual explanation for why ever on D1. Worcej is obviously town now, but what on Day 1 led you to believe it was more likely he was town than someone you seemed very confident was town because her play would make no sense as scum?
tl;dr: If you weren't voting for jasnah and voted for Chaqa you were part of a group of people that thought jasnah was very likely town and that avoiding a DK on her was good. Once Chaqa CCed the next obvious play for most, which is what literally every other Chaqa voter besides you and PE did, is to vote for worcej. And given PE had his vote on Jasnah before he switched it to Chaqa, I find that more self-explanatory.
I mean, we have more information than you're making it seem like we do. We have 1 scum and at least 2 clears. In fact, all the claims give us extra information. So I feel like you're just making excuses and not even trying to solve the game.>And this is going to sound like I'm shading you, but that's only because it is.... I love that your one question in here is something ghug himself pointed out being suspicious that nobody was asking about. Do you have any other VCA-type thoughts? You're into puzzles, I'd think you'd be doing a bit more thinking about what makes sense rather than give reads based on emotional stuff, mechs discussions, and activity levels.
This game hasn't been conducive to the VCA I'd normally like to do. We've had what 5 non VT role claims in 2 days that make resolving this mess in a coherent manner incredibly hard since when the chips finally fall it's often due to these PR claims and not based on prior reads as much. Doubt I'll get much useful VCA out of today either given hammer bozo is imo the easy and correct call, but I'll check the bot again to see if anything stands out.
Bozo is playing his scum meta, got cced, and didn't even protect the person who got attacked. In order for him to be town here, scum has to be trading half their team for this. There are technical possibilities from an outside perspective but the fact is bozo is just scum.Doom427 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:28 pmPeople who know Bozo- would bozo post if he was town? Cause if everyone thinks your mafia, and you are doc, saying kill me and scan me is obv. the only play. Would Bozo try to still give reads? Or would he head out and decide none of them would be treated seriously anyway?