Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[FlaviusAetius]

I suppose I'll abstain from the vote

You will not abstain any votes that are absolutely ridiculous, I re-read through this entire thing, it's not hard just takes a little

[FlaviusAetius]

Post some reads and ask some people questions about their reads. You’re doing this bizarre bit like an umpire where you give impartial judgments on how people are arguing but you’re ultimately just standing there and not advancing either team’s win condition. It’s like watching a shortstop call balls and strikes. Less coaching more doing please

Oh boy, I swear if you dont have the best reason in the world for not voting TrPrado I just found his teammate

Why? Someone who makes a solid argument for a scum read without voting for that person is necessarily their scum teammate? I don't think you think that.

I find the argument made by Carl here to be a strong one. I actually appreciate you quoting it because it rings true to me, and I find myself nudging my read on Prado Scumward. Though, your push on him mitigates that a bit too.

But, either way, Carl's argument looks sincere to me, and I don't think we can draw any conclusion from the lack of an accompanying vote every time someone has a strong reason for a scumread.

I UNDERSTAND that, but the disconnect for me is that his argument is WEAK
How do you think its strong at all?
Carl has been on TrPrado for a little, made GOOD ARGUMENTS and then just drops all of a sudden

[Foxcastle]

I disagree, I don't think his vote means anything until he has read the whole thread and posted all of his thoughts & opinions.

I think this is key. I don't think Chippe assumes Crusaader is town because he's scum and knows, I think Chippe assumes Crusaader is town because that allows Chippe to lecture Crusaader on the value of his vote (or lack thereof).

[Carl Tuckerson]

Oh boy, I swear if you dont have the best reason in the world for not voting TrPrado I just found his teammate

Why? Someone who makes a solid argument for a scum read without voting for that person is necessarily their scum teammate? I don't think you think that.

I find the argument made by Carl here to be a strong one. I actually appreciate you quoting it because it rings true to me, and I find myself nudging my read on Prado Scumward. Though, your push on him mitigates that a bit too.

But, either way, Carl's argument looks sincere to me, and I don't think we can draw any conclusion from the lack of an accompanying vote every time someone has a strong reason for a scumread.

I UNDERSTAND that, but the disconnect for me is that his argument is WEAK
How do you think its strong at all?
Carl has been on TrPrado for a little, made GOOD ARGUMENTS and then just drops all of a sudden

You're overthinking this one sport. I'm glad you went down this rabbit hole since the Grug brains in this town finally figured out you weren't mafia from this line of thinking, but I was pissed at ChippeRock's VT shtick and how much time it was taking up and thought that delivering an ultimatum would help.
I don't think the ultimatum really did anything but we did manage to move onto real discussion again so I'm happy with the result.

[rdrivera2005]

Last game I had a gut feeling Damo was scum in D1 and he really was. Obviously it doesn't mean I am right now, but I started to have more confidence in those feelings.

In my head, I have a rough clump of "People who should be doing more," and you are squarely in that clump. Just an FYI.

Agree with you, but I am at work, checking the thread on the bot and posting on cell (because the site is blocked). It was hard to only read the thread.
It seems I am always late on the discussions.

[Nephthys]

Realizing that I am now NOT 'moving on...' I have to say this about 'proof.'

"You keep using that word... I don't think you know what it means."

Meanwhile @Nephthys... I'm very willing to read your posts and think through your reasonings. Your reads have often ended up right, in the end.

Who is scum today?

I'm struggling in that its hard to keep up to date with reading and theres a bunch of new people for me (5 or 6 I think).

I think I'm probs gnna take today off sick so will update when I can

[ChippeRock]

xorxes, as you don't seem to have made too much of a contribution to this game yet, could you please let us all know what your current reads are when you catch up on this thread?

[Nephthys]

@et - if you vote early, you can change your vote later on. If you had to vote in the next hour, who would you vote for and why?



@damo - looks like you're on the thread. Care to share some thoughts?

If that is unchangeable vote, I will vote damo or Cru.
Because if we don't lynch player without comment, scums can hide very easily.
What they have to do is just keeping silence.

If changeable one, I will vote Nep. Because Nep seemed to catch up this thread, but not to be so active. So, I want to see reaction.
I thought boz, but I wonder boz react me. So, I think Nep is better.

Look mum, I made a friend

[FlaviusAetius]

I understand @carl I know I was reading the thread and how no one liked Chippie since he did bad stuff in the past, so I understand how some people might be partial to him, Im glad you got past that and are right back on track :D
@TrPrado going to answer those 8 responses you gave in a moment

[CruaaderReynauld]

Brb I just got the time to read all 38 pages, so I'll start reading,

[rdrivera2005]

Jesus Christ, catching up has taken me way longer than expected but I didn't want to start commenting until completely up to date. I feel so refreshed with knowledge. (opinions)

1. I am almost certain Carl is town

2. I think Squigs likely is aswell.

3. I am genuinely very glad Chippe has been able to reintegrate back into this game. I thought the end was near close to the end of my catchup.
(I don't think I need to say he is clearly town)

4. 'Lurkers'. While I think it is quite early to assume Mafia from someone who's hardly posted, bozo's seeming lack of care to post literally anything of importance makes me highly suspicious.

5. I have no idea about Flavius.

6. From my fairly unimformed opinion, Balki seems scum, don't read too much into that though.

7. I think teacon is Mafia, annoyingly I'm finding this hard to justify, but discounting Chippe's actions as scum, and eagerness to lynch lurkers are hard for me to ignore. So I am going to have to respectfully ##VOTE teacon7

I don't know why people were town reading Connor before, but I am surely townreading him now after this post.

[Nephthys]

Can someone give me a Cliffs Notes summary of "what happened last game" that is important for this game? Something, something, Moscow lurked and was scum...teacon did what? Anything else pertinent? I take it that town lost?

Town Teacon and Town Xorxes had extreme tunnels on each other, getting into battles about logic, and logical fallacies, while scum EMC and MoscowFleet lurked their way to victory.

EMC successfully lurked? That wasn't enough of a red flag?

[Nephthys]

Well this game is fascinating gonna read the set up and have a close read when I get home.

Until then, scum is likely controlling the thread

[Percy Williams]

What ChippeRock is doing seems like a scum ploy.

I'm sorry, not trying to OMGUS here, but bozo has made 2 posts - one of them a vote, and the other a 8 word sentence.

If everyone's jumping on Moscow's wagon just because he was scum last time he was lurking, shouldn't we at least analyse why bozo is lurking?

Bozo, please explain (in detail) what part of what I'm doing is a scum ploy. Please also start commentating on other's posts and give us more than 1 read.

This is the kind of reason WHY Chippie isnt a scum
I completely skipped over bozo entirely, seems like everyone else has too

Why am I voting him then?

[Percy Williams]

@Carl & @Percy

Any particular reason you are referring to Bailiff as 'jailer'?

(Other than of course having the power to jail).

Just curious as to why not using this game's label. Is 'Jailer' a more normal term in Mafia?

From my limited knowledge on bailiffs, I don't think they actually jail people. I could be wrong on that, but in my previous games I did the same thing with "Doctor" when it was actually medicine man or something. I just simplify names to make sense to me, because I can't be bothered to memorize the technical role names for every game. But I've never played with a jailer before, so I don't know if it's normal.

The Bailiff does in this game.

I meant Bailiffs in real life, I get that that's their role in this game.

[Foxcastle]

Well this game is fascinating gonna read the set up and have a close read when I get home.

Until then, scum is likely controlling the thread

Seems like an odd thing to imply that you haven't read the thread closely and then to assert that scum is controlling it.

[connorcompton]

Does anyone have any initial suspicions on who the Blind Assassin?
(I don't)

[connorcompton]

*Who the Blind Assassin is?



I can grammar

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

ChippeRock (3) - TrPrado, bozotheclown, EspressoPatronum
MoscowFleet (3) - teacon7, dargorygel, Durga,
TrPrado (3) - Tom Bombadil, FlaviusAetius, Carl Tuckerson
bozotheclown (2) Percy Williams, ChippeRock
FlaviusAetius (1) - Balki Bartokomous
Tom Bombadil (1) - Squigs44
Teacon7 (1) - Connorcompton

NOBODY is scheduled to be executed.

Just under 23.5 hours remain in D1.

NINE players still need to cast a valid vote before the end of the phase.

[Percy Williams]

You're overreading it - I, just like everybody else, instantly assumed that the noobs in this game were town (which isn't such a horrible assumption).

Connor has used the noob card to get strong townreads throughout - and while I won't comment on whether or not that's a correct read, neither him nor Cruaader have said enough to get themselves strong townreads.

Everyone else assumes that "the noobs in the game were town"? Who does that? I don't. I have never seen that assumption before. Why would anyone assume that? Why do you assume that?

Why do you keep bringing up Connor? I don't see what that has to do at all with Cruaader.

Correlation does not mean causation. I don't think he was implying that they were town read because they were noobs, but that the globe in this game were all coincidentally town read.