Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

if scum didnt hold their kill, the alien has to be you or bob though

[Maniac]

Vecna cannot be alien unless dead infectee so tomorrow you should vote within

worcej ghug Bob

Examining each in turn as alien my guess at scum pair is as follows:

ALIEN ----------------- Mafia
Bob ‐---------------- ghug and worcej
ghug ------------------ worcej and struggling
Worcej -------‐----------- ghug and struggling

Bob must be the alien

##vote Bob

You’ve surpassed your worst logic ever post from earlier. If it wasn’t for Jamie trying to kill unCC’d PR you’d stand alone as LVP

[Vecna]

I should probably reflect how good rdrivera actually looks in a world where Fox is town

[Vecna]

but that is clearly a task for another day

[damo666]

Vecna cannot be alien unless dead infectee so tomorrow you should vote within

worcej ghug Bob

Examining each in turn as alien my guess at scum pair is as follows:

ALIEN ----------------- Mafia
Bob ‐---------------- ghug and worcej
ghug ------------------ worcej and struggling
Worcej -------‐----------- ghug and struggling

Bob must be the alien

##vote Bob

You’ve surpassed your worst logic ever post from earlier. If it wasn’t for Jamie trying to kill unCC’d PR you’d stand alone as LVP

Tell me why I'm wrong.

[BobMcBob]

Vecna cannot be alien unless dead infectee so tomorrow you should vote within

worcej ghug Bob

Examining each in turn as alien my guess at scum pair is as follows:

ALIEN ----------------- Mafia
Bob ‐---------------- ghug and worcej
ghug ------------------ worcej and struggling
Worcej -------‐----------- ghug and struggling

Bob must be the alien

##vote Bob

you really have outdone yourself on this one
the logic is almost as sound as "lets play voting chicken with scum which wont work and then alien can vote manip to control dk"
although slightly better than "i literally cleared myself of being alien with this very pro alien idea i proposed"

[rdrivera2005]

I should probably reflect how good rdrivera actually looks in a world where Fox is town

Well, I always scumread Fox when he is PR (last time we both were we fought until it was obvious). He is far from confirmed but I agree with your take on GMs message, which is not great, but we can't ignore it.

I still think Ghug is Alien, I just don't feel any passion at all on him, even as scum he would at least be pissed with Brain and an overpowered Alien. Not sure I want to go all on on this. Maybe just killing Damo and having another night is the safe play, I really don't know here, trusting scum isn't great too.

@Vecna, would you try to convince us Worcej is the Alien?

[rdrivera2005]

Vecna cannot be alien unless dead infectee so tomorrow you should vote within

worcej ghug Bob

Examining each in turn as alien my guess at scum pair is as follows:

ALIEN ----------------- Mafia
Bob ‐---------------- ghug and worcej
ghug ------------------ worcej and struggling
Worcej -------‐----------- ghug and struggling

Bob must be the alien

##vote Bob

You’ve surpassed your worst logic ever post from earlier. If it wasn’t for Jamie trying to kill unCC’d PR you’d stand alone as LVP

I didn't find this post so bad, looking from his POV where he is town. A lot of assumptions, like clearing me and Maniac of being scum, but this is normal Damo and I feel line 2 pretty likely, you can replace struggling for Maniac or any other live player but Jamiet.

[Jamiet99uk]

Right, but I whipped everyone into shape on needing to shift focus to the alien when it would have been pretty damn easy to keep focusing on the mafia...

I did that before you ever did.

You literally refused to kill celaph when I first wanted to.

That was literally because I literally thought Thamrick was literally the Alien at that point. So I was already trying to daykill the Alien by pushing Thamrick. Duh?

[damo666]

I should probably reflect how good rdrivera actually looks in a world where Fox is town

Well, I always scumread Fox when he is PR (last time we both were we fought until it was obvious). He is far from confirmed but I agree with your take on GMs message, which is not great, but we can't ignore it.

I still think Ghug is Alien, I just don't feel any passion at all on him, even as scum he would at least be pissed with Brain and an overpowered Alien. Not sure I want to go all on on this. Maybe just killing Damo and having another night is the safe play, I really don't know here, trusting scum isn't great too.

@Vecna, would you try to convince us Worcej is the Alien?

@rdr if ghug is alien who are mafpair? This is where I keep having difficulty.

[damo666]

I should probably reflect how good rdrivera actually looks in a world where Fox is town

Well, I always scumread Fox when he is PR (last time we both were we fought until it was obvious). He is far from confirmed but I agree with your take on GMs message, which is not great, but we can't ignore it.

I still think Ghug is Alien, I just don't feel any passion at all on him, even as scum he would at least be pissed with Brain and an overpowered Alien. Not sure I want to go all on on this. Maybe just killing Damo and having another night is the safe play, I really don't know here, trusting scum isn't great too.

@Vecna, would you try to convince us Worcej is the Alien?

@rdr if ghug is alien who are mafpair? This is where I keep having difficulty.

Sorry. Ignore. Crosspost.

I suppose Maniac could just about be scum if ghug is alien. By the same token he could be scum with ghug if worcej is alien.

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM NOTE

“##CALL GM: Since the Item Thief operates prior to the NK in the order of operations, would a dead player be able to report whether their item was stolen to the shaman?”

From Game Start Post: “The deceased player can answer the question based on what they knew in the living world.” (Section: Shaman, Page 1)

From Game Start Post: “Players are notified if their item is stolen.” (Section: Item Thief, Page 1)

This is an opportunity to clarify anything conflicting in this hypothetical situation. Unfortunately, Dargorygel is away currently and, he may have spoken on this previously! But, for this specific hypothetical occurrence an item theft occurs before the player dies. Thus, they, the deceased, would technically be able to speak on a hypothetical theft if contacted by the shaman.

Wow.

Like this answer directly, 100% contradicts a previous GM answer and, as Vecna says, we might have made an item massclaim if that answer had been different.

More importantly in the present, this basically clears Foxcastle as far as I can see. His Shaman claim is valid, and I don't think scum-Fox could have fabricated this. If Foxcastle is scum then the GM has broken the game because I can't vote for Foxcastle now, ever.

“##CALL GM - If the Mafia attempt to NK the Alien, and the attack fails due to the Alien being NK immune, is the Alien informed that they survived an attack?”

Any role or item that grants night immunity would be notified in the event of a hypothetical situation such as this.

Ok this is also very interesting. The Alien knows if the Mafia tried to kill them last night.

It seems like Damo's plan is not going to fly.

##Unvote while I think about all this.

[damo666]

We know item thief is alive so I think the possible combos are

ALIEN ---- ITEM THIEF ----- SCUM PARTNER
Bob ------- ghug -------------- worcej/Maniac/rdr
Bob ------- worcej ----------- ghug/Maniac/rdr
worcej ---- ghug ------------- Maniac/rdr
ghug ------- worcej ---------- Maniac/rdr

@Jamie @Vecna @Fox

thoughts?

[BobMcBob]

We know item thief is alive so I think the possible combos are

ALIEN ---- ITEM THIEF ----- SCUM PARTNER
Bob ------- ghug -------------- worcej/Maniac/rdr
Bob ------- worcej ----------- ghug/Maniac/rdr
worcej ---- ghug ------------- Maniac/rdr
ghug ------- worcej ---------- Maniac/rdr

@Jamie @Vecna @Fox

thoughts?

this makes a lot more sense now (of course from theoretical town damo pov)

[Jamiet99uk]

We know item thief is alive so I think the possible combos are

ALIEN ---- ITEM THIEF ----- SCUM PARTNER
Bob ------- ghug -------------- worcej/Maniac/rdr
Bob ------- worcej ----------- ghug/Maniac/rdr
worcej ---- ghug ------------- Maniac/rdr
ghug ------- worcej ---------- Maniac/rdr

@Jamie @Vecna @Fox

thoughts?

This seems solid enough. I'd almost ruled out Bob but he's not clear of being Alien.

I'm inclined to think its Alien Ghug, Worcej and Maniac scum.

[Maniac]

Can someone or the GM tell me more about the signal tracker. Was it designed as a single use item? It doesn’t read that way from the set up. Why didn’t Bona use it every night?

Also if scum knew the shaman was dead, is there anything that Fox has told us that scum couldn’t know?

@fox do you have any crumbs at all for anything you’ve done?

I must admit the way the GM has answered questions I’m leaning Fox is shaman but I don’t want to close if the possibility that Fox is the secretary and this is their play to him to very late game.

[damo666]

We know item thief is alive so I think the possible combos are

ALIEN ---- ITEM THIEF ----- SCUM PARTNER
Bob ------- ghug -------------- worcej/Maniac/rdr
Bob ------- worcej ----------- ghug/Maniac/rdr
worcej ---- ghug ------------- Maniac/rdr
ghug ------- worcej ---------- Maniac/rdr

@Jamie @Vecna @Fox

thoughts?

This seems solid enough. I'd almost ruled out Bob but he's not clear of being Alien.

I'm inclined to think its Alien Ghug, Worcej and Maniac scum.

Yeah, I think it's either g wM or w gM.

@Maniac Vote for w or g will you? Please. Pretty please.

[damo666]

I'm gonna join Vecna and ##vote worcej

[Foxcastle]

Can someone or the GM tell me more about the signal tracker. Was it designed as a single use item? It doesn’t read that way from the set up. Why didn’t Bona use it every night?

Also if scum knew the shaman was dead, is there anything that Fox has told us that scum couldn’t know?

@fox do you have any crumbs at all for anything you’ve done?

I must admit the way the GM has answered questions I’m leaning Fox is shaman but I don’t want to close if the possibility that Fox is the secretary and this is their play to him to very late game.

I did not crumb, no, unless you consider the ghug joke a crumb.

And the wacky, intricate, 4-D chess theories are cute, but I have never seen scum make those plays and I don't believe they actually happen.

[rdrivera2005]

We know item thief is alive so I think the possible combos are

ALIEN ---- ITEM THIEF ----- SCUM PARTNER
Bob ------- ghug -------------- worcej/Maniac/rdr
Bob ------- worcej ----------- ghug/Maniac/rdr
worcej ---- ghug ------------- Maniac/rdr
ghug ------- worcej ---------- Maniac/rdr

@Jamie @Vecna @Fox

thoughts?

I would not clear Vecna and Fox this fast, but ok.