Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[teacon7]

Squigs. What are your thoughts on Durga?

If you look at just content and pushes, she really is not townie. But looking at her tone, her many townslips, her jailed claim, the interactions with Balki, the emotion she has shown, she just feels so townie. Hard to fake those things and look as genuine as she has.

Hold on man I've got something you'll need for this.

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-Ou ... 5yc1vZbx9r

[teacon7]

aww the link got cut off. I sent him a link for hedge trimmers. because his read of durga was really hedged. "she's scummy but really doesn't feel that way" ...? come on.

[FlaviusAetius]

@flav
@nd
@peterlund
@neph
@fox
@percy
@chippe
@whichever of damo/connor is town

I have a strong guess as to the identity of the BA. Is it worth me guessing aloud about it? I don't want to give scum the right person to rb and potentially block them from killing off scum.

Dont!! The BA has only a few more kills until the Mafia figures him out, keep it a secret as long as possible. The BA should only reveal when he is RBed

[Durga]

Neph you really have to be able to guide the town more

[Durga]

@fox have you ever created such a spreadsheet when you were town?

[Foxcastle]

@fox have you ever created such a spreadsheet when you were town?

Not a calculative spreadsheet like this one, that I recall. The peterbot already does most of the organizational work that a spreadsheet would be useful for, and the game is mostly not calculable, although I really like my method.

[ChippeRock]

note that durga/squiggs were the ones who induced Neph to pick fox/teacon for today.

When did I do that? Please stop lying

Here's where you suggested fox/teacon as options:
p236

Neph don't use your power unilaterally. I'd like to discuss the candidates with you.

p237 one post right after the other.

I think I find teacon always scummy so I don't know what to do. Might be best to just lynch him.

Fox. Fox is probably a good bet for scum too. He's not the assassin but he's probably something

Durga, stop lying. Durga and squigs both suggested that Neph choose us for today. If you think fox/teacon is TvT, then kknow this: Balki/durga/squigs are responsible. Check it out in iso.

Well, I posted that I would like to see Fox named as a candidate after Neph labeled you as someone who he wouldn't change his mind about (I don't have a strong opinion about your play like I have about Fox's, but you're playing like a lurker so it wouldn't be a horrible lynch).

[teacon7]

I guess it comes down to which one of you is better at game solving for me. @Fox and @Teacon both of you explain to me why you are better at solving the game. That's all I can think of what to do here.

Good question. idk. We're thinking along the same lines in a lot of ways. fox is acting kinda like if I were in his situation. If we run with the reductionist idea that foxcastle = a spreadsheet, I'm probably better at adjusting to game realities live, whereas he's locked into the limits of the scumpair exclusion algorithm. His algorithm doesn't take the BA into account either, which is going to be helpful for the BA but not helpful for town down the road. Vote for me if you want the BA to win, I guess?

I'm ambivalent becase I'd like to get to the endgame and there's the slight chance that he's scum playing a really good game, but I've also got RL stuff to take care of so it's not like bowing out now is gonna make me super sad. The biggest reason I'd think anyone should scumread him rn is because squigs/durga stayed off of him d3, and moved off of him today too. But that's secondary reasoning at best, and requires you to see what I see re: balki/durga's play d3.

[damo666]

Also looking forward to a me vs. damo battle tomorrow. Should be great fun.

Bring it on.

[Durga]

if you've decided to tunnel on me again this game just like last game and you're town again teacon you really need to take a look at your play style. i don't actually believe that fox scum reads me because he's so laissez-faire about it but i feel like you genuinely believe it and it's concerning. if you're town, you really just don't have good reads buddy

[Durga]

@fox have you ever created such a spreadsheet when you were town?

Not a calculative spreadsheet like this one, that I recall. The peterbot already does most of the organizational work that a spreadsheet would be useful for, and the game is mostly not calculable, although I really like my method.

What does your method give you

[teacon7]

When did I do that? Please stop lying

Here's where you suggested fox/teacon as options:
p236

Neph don't use your power unilaterally. I'd like to discuss the candidates with you.

p237 one post right after the other.

I think I find teacon always scummy so I don't know what to do. Might be best to just lynch him.

Fox. Fox is probably a good bet for scum too. He's not the assassin but he's probably something

Durga, stop lying. Durga and squigs both suggested that Neph choose us for today. If you think fox/teacon is TvT, then kknow this: Balki/durga/squigs are responsible. Check it out in iso.

Well, I posted that I would like to see Fox named as a candidate after Neph labeled you as someone who he wouldn't change his mind about (I don't have a strong opinion about your play like I have about Fox's, but you're playing like a lurker so it wouldn't be a horrible lynch).

Chip how the heck am I playing like a lurker? I was gone d2 for IRL stuff, but otherwise I've been playing just as much as you have.

[et]

I would like for @Teacon to respond to my question on the previous page.

@ET I saw it. It was a garbage response.

You can say garbage without reading.
You don't say any reason.
Ok, I can say aggressive words without reading too.
I think your existence is garbage.
Please quit game right now.
You are scum in this game, and in real life too.

Are you drunk aswell?
I don't really think anger can ever be AI, but I'm much less confident on et being town now.
Also, to et: Thoughts on Fox's spreadsheet?

I just tell him whoever can use aggressive words without reading.
The spread sheet was made on promise that Fox is town.
I think that is useful if Fox is town.
But I don't think entirely large number player is more scummy than little number players.

[Foxcastle]

@fox have you ever created such a spreadsheet when you were town?

Not a calculative spreadsheet like this one, that I recall. The peterbot already does most of the organizational work that a spreadsheet would be useful for, and the game is mostly not calculable, although I really like my method.

What does your method give you

A result that is only as good as the assumptions underlying the method. Which I won't disclose. But I will say that 1) a bad assumption decreases the accuracy, but 2) does not turn it off.

[damo666]

@Fox @teacon please post your best guess at remaining scum before EOD. I understand if you don't want to speculate as to BA.

[Foxcastle]

@Fox @teacon please post your best guess at remaining scum before EOD. I understand if you don't want to speculate as to BA.

Yes, I will.

[ChippeRock]

@flav
@nd
@peterlund
@neph
@fox
@percy
@chippe
@whichever of damo/connor is town

I have a strong guess as to the identity of the BA. Is it worth me guessing aloud about it? I don't want to give scum the right person to rb and potentially block them from killing off scum.

Well, assuming you are town... If you're about to get lynched that would make it 7-4-1 - Mafia & BA NK us down to 5-4-1, 6-3-1, or 6-4-1 (correctly RB BA).

Giving scum the identity of the BA gives Town less risky Nights (BA could hit or miss) and gives us the identity of the BA for future lynch (or maybe we would do it the next day). But, if Town ever mislynches, we don't have the BA to fall back on - and makes the mislynch more deadly. However, the BA is prone to mis-NKs, so it's the same problem...

It's all about risk vs. reward honestly, I suppose it's your choice - but if you're not getting lynched, I would keep it to yourself for the moment (but maybe keep the post drafted up and ready to submit in the last minutes in case someone last minute switches wagons and lynches you).

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.8

Foxcastle(7) - ChippeRock, teacon7, Nephthys, Percy Williams, connorcompton, FlaviusAetius, Squigs44

teacon7(6) - peterlund, foxcastle, et, damo666, Durga, ND

Foxcastle is set for lynching.

82 minutes remain.

[Durga]

Not a calculative spreadsheet like this one, that I recall. The peterbot already does most of the organizational work that a spreadsheet would be useful for, and the game is mostly not calculable, although I really like my method.

What does your method give you

A result that is only as good as the assumptions underlying the method. Which I won't disclose. But I will say that 1) a bad assumption decreases the accuracy, but 2) does not turn it off.

i don't get this. and i don't get how this is supposed to work. in my mind this seems like you're trying to be productive without actually being productive, and also you're not even sharing your results so it's pointless!!

[FlaviusAetius]

Im on mobile right now and have to leave in 12 mintues
But know this FOXCASTLE HAS ANSWERED ZERO QUESTIONS
His ONE and ONLY case has been teacon DAY 1 NOTHING ELSE

Thank you Squigs for coming back to FoxCastle and I agree ND and Durga moving really makes you think