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damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:09 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:52 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:23 am

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:11 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:09 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:52 am

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

I think you are incorrect and Vecna is the 3P, and there is little risk in DKing him today since he has no items.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:06 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:59 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:52 am

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

Why do you only apply this logic to me?

You havent done anything at all to try and rule out any of the other people. None of your mechanical wizardry to solve the puzzle.

The last 3 days have been you saying "if this is what happened, Vecna is the largest threat".

It is NOT what happened.

You are allowing fear of me somehow pulling the largest master-heist in history to cloud every bit of common sense id expect you to have.

No other 3P possibility would expect to have the Hot Salsa used against them N5 and therefore would have no reason to give away their 3P need items to Jamie with the intention of getting them back D6.

Then there is this:

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:38 pm

The way I see the current gamestate:

Jamiet is either the last scum or 3P. He's been hiding behind itemclaims all game long, and its prevented us from killing him twice now. I honestly dont really care what he has to say, since its not going to be in our best interest, but his.

In the absolute worst case scenario, 3P has 5/6 items (I think this is possible by now, right?) but is still chasing after the doc item. Worst case scenario, Jamiet doesnt flip 3P, but then the actual 3P still has to take like a 1/7 gamble on who has the item he's guessing for. Killing jamiet can never result in the 3P getting all his items. It can result in us either eliminating mafia and their NK/rb, or we just win outright by nabbing the 3P.

Lets just get this over with

##vote jamiet

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:46 pm

id actually think itd hilarious to have jamiet wake up to find himself already hammered.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:03 am

in fact, its almost like youre instructing jamiet what to claim here to make me look bad

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:10 am

Survival is more important to 3p right now rather than item collection. Remember this.

I wish Jamie would wake up.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:09 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:01 am

I bet in the scenario youre now afraid of, I probably couldve just won last night with the salsa in my possession.

If that was true, I think you would have won last night. Maybe you still needed the DV and another item, and was hoping Jamie was still holding onto the DV.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:12 am

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:14 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:03 am

in fact, its almost like youre instructing jamiet what to claim here to make me look bad

Why would I do that? Do you think I am the 3P somehow conspiring with Jamie to get you DKed?

I think what Jamie is claiming is already clear, but we will know more when he makes a specific claim.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:15 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:10 am

Survival is more important to 3p right now rather than item collection. Remember this.

I wish Jamie would wake up.

I think the biggest risk to survival is DKing Jamie.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:09 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:52 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:23 am

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:18 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:12 am

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

Lets see what he says, but I do not think he is the 3P. If he is, he won't get any item from a Vecna DK. I think the only way he would have a chance to win N6 as 3P is if a non-3P player gave him 3P needed items.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:14 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:06 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:59 am

Why do you only apply this logic to me?

You havent done anything at all to try and rule out any of the other people. None of your mechanical wizardry to solve the puzzle.

The last 3 days have been you saying "if this is what happened, Vecna is the largest threat".

It is NOT what happened.

You are allowing fear of me somehow pulling the largest master-heist in history to cloud every bit of common sense id expect you to have.

No other 3P possibility would expect to have the Hot Salsa used against them N5 and therefore would have no reason to give away their 3P need items to Jamie with the intention of getting them back D6.

Then there is this:

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:38 pm

The way I see the current gamestate:

Jamiet is either the last scum or 3P. He's been hiding behind itemclaims all game long, and its prevented us from killing him twice now. I honestly dont really care what he has to say, since its not going to be in our best interest, but his.

In the absolute worst case scenario, 3P has 5/6 items (I think this is possible by now, right?) but is still chasing after the doc item. Worst case scenario, Jamiet doesnt flip 3P, but then the actual 3P still has to take like a 1/7 gamble on who has the item he's guessing for. Killing jamiet can never result in the 3P getting all his items. It can result in us either eliminating mafia and their NK/rb, or we just win outright by nabbing the 3P.

Lets just get this over with

##vote jamiet

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:46 pm

id actually think itd hilarious to have jamiet wake up to find himself already hammered.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe jamiet is lying? Stalling for time?

If scum managed to get the required items on him, all he needs is for 3P to steal the last item in town hands.

Then we can effectively not daykill him untill the 3P is dealt with, because it instantly hands the win to the 3P.

If he is 3P himself, he uses this to make us fear killing him so he can win in the meantime.

Its exactly as snowy said, youre trying to not loose this game, while we should be focusing on winning it.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:22 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:18 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:12 am

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

Lets see what he says, but I do not think he is the 3P. If he is, he won't get any item from a Vecna DK. I think the only way he would have a chance to win N6 as 3P is if a non-3P player gave him 3P needed items.

Its almost like you fail to see that as soon as town loses control over the brown or white rice, its likely game over. 3P has like a 1 in 5-8 depending on how smart/dumb the people are passing it along of achieving that every night.

mafia/3p control all other items unless jamiet did pass the chicken, but noone has made mention of that yet, while it would be safe to do so.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:25 am

Why is jamiet not 3P that just received the 3P items off the maniac wagon?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:28 am

Yet youre voting me