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Yes, Damo, you are right.
There was a danger that Flum would vote for damo, so the tie was in no way a sure thing.kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:34 pmHe was "confident" enough that I am scum on D6 when he flat-out TOLD Bunny to vote for me to avoid a tie and get my lynched in mylo.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:33 pmI am not sure about xorxes, but he pushes cases when he is confident in them, not just to be pushing them. I am more concerned about BunnyGo and Balki, I think they could be setting up to make a jump at EOD.kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:19 pm@xorxes you're seriously not at all even trying to convince anyone I'm scum!!
@bozo/Bunny, does this really seem like town-xorxes to you?? He's not even pushing a case in lylo!! Bunny you said earlier this game that scum just hang back and try to watch town screw themselves up. Do you not think that's what it looks like xorxes is doing?
You'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:35 pmI will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.
*3 scum, that was a typo not a "slip"kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:38 pmYou'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:35 pmI will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.
I had this discussion with xorxes in M1009, where he claimed he was unlikely to be bussing, despite M42. I think he deliberately avoids bussing unnecessarily so that he can make that argument as town, I do not see why he would go out of his way to bus Bob when Bob was not looking like a likely lynch.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:33 pmHe already can't claim that because he did it as scum in M42 as you have just acknowledged.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:28 pmI have looked at M42 previously because it is the only case I ever found of xorxes voting for a scum teammate when the teammate was not already caught. This is significant because before that game, xorxes as town would point out that he never busses as scum. I suspect he avoiding bussing before that so he could make that claim as town and have it be believable. There are many cases where xorxes has scum read scum teammates for distancing, but not voted for them. In M42, MoscowFleet and xorxes were both under significant suspicion already, so it was a case where xorxes was not just distancing himself from MoscowFleet to look good, but also to make MoscowFleet look good if xorxes was lynched first. On D3, xorxes started the wagon on Bob after rdrivera said he would vote for Bob, so xorxes knew the wagon would go to 2. Yes, it could be bussing, but if it is, it is something xorxes has not done previously, and xorxes will never again be able to claim that he does not bus as scum.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:01 pm@Bozo:
Please look at my analysis on Xorxes. It's important.
This is his second time.
Vote for him.
There are 3 scum, and they are likely split.kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:38 pmYou'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:35 pmI will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.
Yes, it was a typo. I am not convinced they are split. But I'm confident in one scumpair, and they are currently both voting together, and they're voting for town.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:40 pmThere are 3 scum, and they are likely split.kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:38 pmYou'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:35 pm
I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.
I don't avoid it for that reason, I avoid it because it doesn't feel right to me to vote for a teammate, and it rarely gives anyone any towncred anyway.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:39 pmI had this discussion with xorxes in M1009, where he claimed he was unlikely to be bussing, despite M42. I think he deliberately avoids bussing unnecessarily so that he can make that argument as town, I do not see why he would go out of his way to bus Bob when Bob was not looking like a likely lynch.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:33 pmHe already can't claim that because he did it as scum in M42 as you have just acknowledged.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:28 pm
I have looked at M42 previously because it is the only case I ever found of xorxes voting for a scum teammate when the teammate was not already caught. This is significant because before that game, xorxes as town would point out that he never busses as scum. I suspect he avoiding bussing before that so he could make that claim as town and have it be believable. There are many cases where xorxes has scum read scum teammates for distancing, but not voted for them. In M42, MoscowFleet and xorxes were both under significant suspicion already, so it was a case where xorxes was not just distancing himself from MoscowFleet to look good, but also to make MoscowFleet look good if xorxes was lynched first. On D3, xorxes started the wagon on Bob after rdrivera said he would vote for Bob, so xorxes knew the wagon would go to 2. Yes, it could be bussing, but if it is, it is something xorxes has not done previously, and xorxes will never again be able to claim that he does not bus as scum.
This is his second time.
Vote for him.
I don't think Bunny will vote there. He is being weird.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:37 pmI can't stand this much more so I'm going outside for 10 minutes.
really don't want to move my vote because I am highly confident of my read on Xorxes. He's scum.
IF YOU ARE TOWN, VOTE FOR XORXES.
Seriously, you guys. We're less than 20 minutes away from a lynch in lylo and instead of xorxes trying to convince town that his top scumread is scum, he's spending his time talking about this.
I don't think they are split. Because I am town, and I cannot build any wagon of four unless I vote for kgray, my #1 town read at this point.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:40 pmThere are 3 scum, and they are likely split.kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:38 pmYou'd rather vote where it is likely that scum are voting than for your scumreads? If a wagon is at 5 it certainly has at least one scum on it. If the wagons are 4-3, it is possible that all 2 scum are on the one with 3.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:35 pm
I will vote for him if it helps get a wagon to 5 or 6, it is better to take a chance on one wagon than having split wagons and giving scum the easy win.
If you are town you should be voting kgrayBalki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:44 pmI don't think they are split. Because I am town, and I cannot build any wagon of four unless I vote for kgray, my #1 town read at this point.
I have given my arguments. If Jamie is town, I doubt there's anything more I can say to change his mind.
I do not think a damo, xorxes, BunnyGo scum team is very likely, so I think the scum are split.kgray wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:41 pmYes, it was a typo. I am not convinced they are split. But I'm confident in one scumpair, and they are currently both voting together, and they're voting for town.
Bozo has declared he wants to vote with scum, so fuck knows what he's on if he's town.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:43 pmI don't think Bunny will vote there. He is being weird.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:37 pmI can't stand this much more so I'm going outside for 10 minutes.
really don't want to move my vote because I am highly confident of my read on Xorxes. He's scum.
IF YOU ARE TOWN, VOTE FOR XORXES.
Do you think Bozo is last town?
I'll go for either Damo or Xorx. But we need four to make a party.
It is 4-3.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:49 pmI do not think a damo, xorxes, BunnyGo scum team is very likely, so I think the scum are split.
As for your first question, I very much prefer to vote for my top scum read, which is what I am doing. I will vote for other scum possibilities if the alternative is a guaranteed loss.