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snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:54 pm

So essentially your summation of the day is "shrug, got no idea"?

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:56 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:54 pm

So essentially your summation of the day is "shrug, got no idea"?

Is yours not?

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:57 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:56 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:54 pm

So essentially your summation of the day is "shrug, got no idea"?

Is yours not?

Nope

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:43 pm

kaka I'll vote whoever you tell me to if you say something interesting

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:05 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:43 pm

kaka I'll vote whoever you tell me to if you say something interesting

something interesting :Kappa:

But honestly, what is this situation right now, 3 people on snowy and two on lfischl? uber still a target who might just get substituted? Ghug voting Jamie is also very disturbing.

Only DL and snowy seem to really care about their votes for solving the game. I mean first it was kinda a joke but now I feel better about my ghug vote after him going for Jamie of all people ... again. No rhyme or reason and it doesn't feel like a joke. As if the past games didn't teach him something.

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:06 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:05 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:43 pm

kaka I'll vote whoever you tell me to if you say something interesting

something interesting :Kappa:

But honestly, what is this situation right now, 3 people on snowy and two on lfischl? uber still a target who might just get substituted? Ghug voting Jamie is also very disturbing.

Only DL and snowy seem to really care about their votes for solving the game. I mean first it was kinda a joke but now I feel better about my ghug vote after him going for Jamie of all people ... again. No rhyme or reason and it doesn't feel like a joke. As if the past games didn't teach him something.

Hmm I guess I'd also be open to killing Kak

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:08 pm

It's so easy to be outraged at things

But ghug, at the risk of sounding smugly self satisfied, you are by design ignorant to my thoughts and plans and I am not. Given this premise, would you not accept that I am doing what I think is most beneficial in this current moment?

Someone's gotta do something, after all. Else I guess I'll just die if nobody does

Which is not to say I'm not doing anything incredibly amazing, but such as it is. Most of my thoughts have been floated out anyway, and it's not like I have any hard grasp on the matter, just ideas

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:11 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:08 pm

It's so easy to be outraged at things

But ghug, at the risk of sounding smugly self satisfied, you are by design ignorant to my thoughts and plans and I am not. Given this premise, would you not accept that I am doing what I think is most beneficial in this current moment?

Someone's gotta do something, after all. Else I guess I'll just die if nobody does

Which is not to say I'm not doing anything incredibly amazing, but such as it is. Most of my thoughts have been floated out anyway, and it's not like I have any hard grasp on the matter, just ideas

I believe you believe your current behavior is the best for you. I don't have any special reason to believe that you're town, or that your assessment is correct if you are.

I'm frustrated by the lack of information to go on, and would like you to share your thoughts on the game. That should be reason enough for you to share your thoughts on the game.

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:09 pm

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie rarely provides value to the town
b) Jamie often provides value to his team as scum
c) Jamie will have an explosion of toxicity at some point

Even if you don't want to get into c, a and b are perfectly adequate reasons to kill him right now in absence of other reads.

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:15 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:09 pm

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie rarely provides value to the town
b) Jamie often provides value to his team as scum
c) Jamie will have an explosion of toxicity at some point

Even if you don't want to get into c, a and b are perfectly adequate reasons to kill him right now in absence of other reads.

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie often gets side tracked by other town members and his opinions disregarded, thus is barred to provide true value
b) Jamie loses when he is mafia anyway
c) it's only fair to give him a fair chance if he tries his best and don't condemn before any foul act. Maybe it's only subconsciously but from what I've seen that's still there.

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:15 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:09 pm

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie rarely provides value to the town
b) Jamie often provides value to his team as scum
c) Jamie will have an explosion of toxicity at some point

Even if you don't want to get into c, a and b are perfectly adequate reasons to kill him right now in absence of other reads.

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie often gets side tracked by other town members and his opinions disregarded, thus is barred to provide true value
b) Jamie loses when he is mafia anyway
c) it's only fair to give him a fair chance if he tries his best and don't condemn before any foul act. Maybe it's only subconsciously but from what I've seen that's still there.

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:18 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:15 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:09 pm

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie rarely provides value to the town
b) Jamie often provides value to his team as scum
c) Jamie will have an explosion of toxicity at some point

Even if you don't want to get into c, a and b are perfectly adequate reasons to kill him right now in absence of other reads.

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie often gets side tracked by other town members and his opinions disregarded, thus is barred to provide true value
b) Jamie loses when he is mafia anyway
c) it's only fair to give him a fair chance if he tries his best and don't condemn before any foul act. Maybe it's only subconsciously but from what I've seen that's still there.

I've chosen not to litigate c) in any of the last three games and he's found reason to become toxic anyway, so I'm done with the benefit of the doubt. I think you're simultaneously underselling him and overselling him on the other two points. There's a reason he so regularly ends up in the position to decide the outcome of the game as town, and his scumgame is strong.

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:33 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:18 pm

Kakarroto wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:15 pm

Past games have taught me that:
a) Jamie often gets side tracked by other town members and his opinions disregarded, thus is barred to provide true value
b) Jamie loses when he is mafia anyway
c) it's only fair to give him a fair chance if he tries his best and don't condemn before any foul act. Maybe it's only subconsciously but from what I've seen that's still there.

I've chosen not to litigate c) in any of the last three games and he's found reason to become toxic anyway, so I'm done with the benefit of the doubt. I think you're simultaneously underselling him and overselling him on the other two points. There's a reason he so regularly ends up in the position to decide the outcome of the game as town, and his scumgame is strong.

From what I've seen he hasn't been really given a real chance (due to lingering subconscious prejudice), but I don't claim to be able to read minds, so I can be wrong there. I still think you are in the wrong to directly going for Jamie here and think it is kinda lazy and you should up your hunting.

I mean, just look at the sign up thread, nobody cared about his posts and in the game before he was the only town voted out. Are you absolutely sure that he got a fair chance?