Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[worcej]

yeah this seems really, really broken
like way beyond what it should be

I wouldn't call it broken. It's just a problem we cannot ignore.

spoken like a true alien

Says the actual alien

[worcej]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

Celaph isn't confirmed town, but he is confirmed alien DNA. Scum could easily just kill damo before the item gets used, thus we lose it before dealing with celaph, and then force all DK's onto suspected alien infected people and not actual scum.

Also, what's to say damo isn't the alien himself? He could just say 'yeah, I cured him' and then the only way to make sure is force Jamie to scan him N5, when we're already in a bad spot.

I honestly don't like the course we're going down atm because everyone thinks scum will just play to the town's fiddle and 'help' with the alien. Why would they? Scum have no motivation to do what the town wants, in fact it's in their best interest to force the town into mylo/lylo with the alien since it protects them the best. Town need scum more than scum needs town here.

FTR - we probably need new terms for mylo and lylo... something to consider post-game?

[worcej]

Dont think he was ever going to be daykill today.

And whether he's the alien.....It might be an ok'ish idea for the scum and their dna kit that brain claimed to use it on Damo. If they get a msg that it cleared DNA (which according to the latest gm answer should be the case if he's alien as well) its quite likely we caughts ourselves a fat alien.

That way they can still spent their kills on our precious clears so they have a chance as well

Again, town needs scum more than scum needs town.

The smart play is to remove an alien DNA result immediately and under town control.

[rdrivera2005]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

Celaph isn't confirmed town, but he is confirmed alien DNA. Scum could easily just kill damo before the item gets used, thus we lose it before dealing with celaph, and then force all DK's onto suspected alien infected people and not actual scum.

Also, what's to say damo isn't the alien himself? He could just say 'yeah, I cured him' and then the only way to make sure is force Jamie to scan him N5, when we're already in a bad spot.

I honestly don't like the course we're going down atm because everyone thinks scum will just play to the town's fiddle and 'help' with the alien. Why would they? Scum have no motivation to do what the town wants, in fact it's in their best interest to force the town into mylo/lylo with the alien since it protects them the best. Town need scum more than scum needs town here.

FTR - we probably need new terms for mylo and lylo... something to consider post-game?

We have been using milo and kilo lately.

[ghug]

@rd, what made you move from one of the thamrick kill holdouts to jumping on the wagon?

@Foxcastle, will you commit to killing celaph tonight?

oF cOwrSe gOoG, mE aN Da sCuM tEaM wiL dU dAt fEr yA!1!



This is sarcasm, by the way, since I know you all need that clarification. I am not scum and have no input on their kill.

Very scummy response.

[ghug]

id assume alien would go after someone like celaph or macca (or perhaps me) as players who are very unlikely to die early
infecting a good player is worthless if scum kills them off because theyre too problematic

I agree, but would think that Tham (someone not around for some time) wouldn't just know this easily.

What do you think of Jamie's point that Tham is remarkably attuned to the game for "someone not around for some time"?

I think he means someone who hasn't been playing and thus doesn't know the meta of new players.

I do think his apparent knowledge of goings on is another scumpoint in his favor.

-worcej's spokesman

[damo666]

So, do I submit a target celaph order?

[Jamiet99uk]

So, do I submit a target celaph order?

The OP does not say you have to do this during the day.

Has it been confirmed that you don't order this action at night?

[Jamiet99uk]

in fact, maybe the GM wouldve just told em the reveal in the scum QT

##call GM: Would you only tell the result of the wetwork kit to the gunman in a PM, or give the result in the scum QT?

Surely only the Gunman gets this info. That way if the Gunman is killed (by the Alien, say) the same night as they carry out the janitored-kill, that information dies with them.

That would be the normal adjudication for such a thing and I shall have words with ND after the game if it is not the case. After dealing with PE's bucketload of special mechanics and now this game I can see that I am going to have to publish an article on what "normal adjudication" in Mafia games is all about. I would have thought it was a concept that this community would understand but maybe not.

[celaph]

Not particularly enthusiastic about the Thamrick wagon as I'm a little doubtful that he would target me as alien. That said, we have no real lead on who the alien is and I need to vote so ##vote Tham.

[Jamiet99uk]

Not particularly enthusiastic about the Thamrick wagon as I'm a little doubtful that he would target me as alien. That said, we have no real lead on who the alien is and I need to vote so ##vote Tham.

Why do you think that Thamrick would not target you?

Bear in mind, the Alien needs to target people who are likely to remain alive.

[damo666]

So, do I submit a target celaph order?

The OP does not say you have to do this during the day.

Has it been confirmed that you don't order this action at night?

It'll proces at EON following whenever I submit the order (I assume).

[Jamiet99uk]

So, do I submit a target celaph order?

The OP does not say you have to do this during the day.

Has it been confirmed that you don't order this action at night?

It'll proces at EON following whenever I submit the order (I assume).

Then why are you specifically asking if you should submit the order now, during the day?

[Foxcastle]

So, do I submit a target celaph order?

The OP does not say you have to do this during the day.

Has it been confirmed that you don't order this action at night?

It'll proces at EON following whenever I submit the order (I assume).

Option 1, you assume this and run the risk of the GM saying "sorry, orders must be submitted during the night phase." Which would really not be all that odd, considering that most games prescribe submitting orders "during the night phase," and there seem to be a lot implicit rules in this setup, and it wouldn't surprise me if that were one of them, because it's pretty obvious.

Option 2, you just submit the damn order during the night phase like a normal person and don't tempt stupid outcomes.

[damo666]

The OP does not say you have to do this during the day.

Has it been confirmed that you don't order this action at night?

It'll proces at EON following whenever I submit the order (I assume).

Then why are you specifically asking if you should submit the order now, during the day?

To get more opinion

[Jamiet99uk]

I just don't understand the point of what Damo is doing here.

Damo can you explain?

[Jamiet99uk]

It'll proces at EON following whenever I submit the order (I assume).

Then why are you specifically asking if you should submit the order now, during the day?

To get more opinion

What?

Do you mean you want Thamrick's opinion before he dies?

Everyone else will be able to give you their opinion during the night phase too.

[damo666]

'Visiting during order of adjucation' doesn't really indicate anything about when to submit the order.

I am sure submitting during the day is fine. But I will prob subnit during the night anyway.

I announced it principally so nobody else does it.

I guess the obvious thing to do is await Tham flip.

If Tham flips alian I cure celaph.

If Tham doesn't what do I do? I would immediately suspect celaph is alien.

[celaph]

Not particularly enthusiastic about the Thamrick wagon as I'm a little doubtful that he would target me as alien. That said, we have no real lead on who the alien is and I need to vote so ##vote Tham.

Why do you think that Thamrick would not target you?

Bear in mind, the Alien needs to target people who are likely to remain alive.

I wouldn't suspect Thamrick to know that I have a history of remaining alive.

[dargorygel]

Vote Count 4.03
Thamrick (7) damo666, Jamiet99uk, Foxcastle, Macca573, Vecna, rdrivera2005, celaph
Foxcastle (2) BobMcBob, Maniac
Celaph (2) ghug, worcej

Damo is voting to end.

Not voted: thamrick

Presently thamrick is slated for obliteration

3 hours and 11 minutes remain.