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[Squigs44]

I don't really think Flum is scum either.
Best townreads are damian and Flum currently.

Worried about Balki a smidge. Still think squigs is scum. Unsure on most of the rest.

Can you provide more details in your reads? You have gone on at length about me, but what about your other reads?

I am especially curious what you meant about Balki, in light of this comment by you:

I’ve played on a scum team with Balki and noticed basically no difference in his play style as either alignment, for what it’s worrh

[Squigs44]

What does this mean?

It means I am at a loss for words. I tried all of D1 to get you to give me something more than a single scumread on me, and finally you gave a scumread on damo (after he voted for you).
Then the first thing you do D2 is rescind your scumread of damo, and say nevermind, it was a joke.

Would you classify your own play as anti-town?

I did not say it was a joke, I wanted to see how he would react.

Will you share with us what you learned from his reaction? Or is that classified too?

[Squigs44]

My actual preferred candidates: Rdrivera, ND, Maaaaaybe Ezio?

Do you still want to lynch Rdrivera? If so, why? Your post didn't give a real solid case on him.

[bozotheclown]

I don't really think Flum is scum either.
Best townreads are damian and Flum currently.

Worried about Balki a smidge. Still think squigs is scum. Unsure on most of the rest.

Can you provide more details in your reads? You have gone on at length about me, but what about your other reads?

I am especially curious what you meant about Balki, in light of this comment by you:

I’ve played on a scum team with Balki and noticed basically no difference in his play style as either alignment, for what it’s worrh

Are you asking Tom? Isn't he dead?

[bozotheclown]

It means I am at a loss for words. I tried all of D1 to get you to give me something more than a single scumread on me, and finally you gave a scumread on damo (after he voted for you).
Then the first thing you do D2 is rescind your scumread of damo, and say nevermind, it was a joke.

Would you classify your own play as anti-town?

I did not say it was a joke, I wanted to see how he would react.

Will you share with us what you learned from his reaction? Or is that classified too?

His reaction is available in the thread for all to interpret for themselves.

[Squigs44]

This is weird. Mafia have a day kill?
There is a Mafia Vigilante or a town Vig? And why Tom?

ND was a null and I still don´t sense Squigs being scum saved, so I don´t think it was a great EOD.

This seem like trying too hard to be confused too anyone else?

So, as you seem to know what happened, could you enlight me?

Yes, Rdrivera's post seems awkward.
Also, his reaction is awkwardly passive-aggressive. If he was legit confused, why take offense at ghug's comment?

[Squigs44]

I don't really think Flum is scum either.
Best townreads are damian and Flum currently.

Worried about Balki a smidge. Still think squigs is scum. Unsure on most of the rest.

Can you provide more details in your reads? You have gone on at length about me, but what about your other reads?

I am especially curious what you meant about Balki, in light of this comment by you:

I’ve played on a scum team with Balki and noticed basically no difference in his play style as either alignment, for what it’s worrh

Are you asking Tom? Isn't he dead?

Right

[Squigs44]

I did not say it was a joke, I wanted to see how he would react.

Will you share with us what you learned from his reaction? Or is that classified too?

His reaction is available in the thread for all to interpret for themselves.

Yes, but I was asking for your interpretation, which you are obviously unwilling to give.

[Squigs44]

I need to go to bed now.

##vote Bozo

he has somehow become even more anti-town since yesterday. Is anyone legit townreading him, or are y'all just ignoring him?

[Vecna]

All I'm getting from your posts on Bozo is this.
1) Bozo is flat as scum.
2) You're confident you can read him.
3) He seemed like (slight) town to you.
4) He becomes easier to read as time goes on

He hasn't made new posts that would be flat or robotic since the day flipped.
And confidence is nice, but I'd prefer some reasons
To go from a slight town read -> Bozo needs to obv town in the next 48 hours.

What about the flip specifically changed your mind?
Or is it just that. He's easier to read as time goes on, and end of day 2 is where you feel he'll have been so easy to read you'll know for sure.

I really dont see how it can confuse you? He hasnt posted anything of substance at all. Once he starts, if he is town, it should become obvious. So he has 48 hours to obvtown.

[Vecna]

Bozo and Squigs have 48h to obvtown.

What happens then, you will get me lynched like you got ND lynched?

If you fail to obv-town, then ill sure give it a good shot.

[Vecna]

@Balki
@Vecna
@Xorxes
@Ghug

How do you all read Damian right now?

Im not sure. Him being on Bozo, then criticizing our ND wagon a lot, but then flocking towards it after all as the alternative to Squigs -might- mean something.....but im not sure it does. I liked his post about his suspicion towards my slot. The way he is questioning me is also in line with his Bozo vote, and his suspicion.

His voting record is slightly suspicious. His early d1 play was very suspicious. His reasoning/questioning around my slot felt pretty towny.

Mixed feelings overall.

[Vecna]

K get back to me once you know. Also, tell me why I wasn't allowed to be lynched yesterday?

I townread you

Nobody else has done fuck all to get townread, and that annoys me.

What a load of horsecrapparino.

[Vecna]

Like,
Foxcastle, Damian, Flum, Vecna, Xorxes...
Where are you all? You can't ALL be scum and trying to avoid attention? Are we just all trying shitty new metas?

Wtf is this post even?

Explain to me how my pushing on ND there was avoiding attention. Or are you just being weirded out by timezones?

[Vecna]

I know how it looks scum reading Squigs and damian after they voted for me, and I was not even serious with my scum read of damian, but there was nothing with how the EOD went that mitigates the possibility of a Squigs/damian scum pair.

...

Why does that statement bother you?

[Vecna]

TLDR:
Mediocre scumhunters aren't going to solve this game like they can normal games because everyone in this game is (at the very least) solid. There will likely be fewer easy to follow connections. As a result it's significantly more important to keep the good scumhunters alive than in a regular game.

This is not to say only lynch the bad players, but it is important to weigh the scumhunting potential more heavily than in a normal game.

Everyone was saying Ezio's idea was bad, that we shouldn't lynch players based on the end game. Then this happened:

ND as town has limited influences on the game, his reads generally arent stellar, but his townplay is often recognizable. but he is a big danger that often endgames if scum. I dont see any problem with taking a small gamble on that here.

The gamble on ND being the scum deep threat is probably the best argument you've made thus far. But I'm not sure if I believe it because I don't know ND's playstyle that well.

I think you're right about Squig being a better town asset and easier to read later if he's faking. Fine. ##vote ND

Even this from ghug:

ND's shit I'm ok with that I guess.

Those that were criticizing Ezio's idea: Do you think that either Vecna or damo were being scummy in their logic of voting ND?

I think unconciously everyone agrees with what Ezio proposed. It just doesnt need to take up a large portion of your posting, it doesnt have to be said in the way he did. Obviously he had a point. Whether it came from the right place, I dno. I think it was also a bit of a cheap shot from Balki to attack the wording n all that.

[Vecna]

I don't really think Flum is scum either.
Best townreads are damian and Flum currently.

Worried about Balki a smidge. Still think squigs is scum. Unsure on most of the rest.

Can you provide more details in your reads? You have gone on at length about me, but what about your other reads?

I am especially curious what you meant about Balki, in light of this comment by you:

I’ve played on a scum team with Balki and noticed basically no difference in his play style as either alignment, for what it’s worrh

You realize he aint around to answer you anymore right? Did you just dumbtell or townslip?

That sure is one hell of a polarizing post to make.

[Vecna]

My actual preferred candidates: Rdrivera, ND, Maaaaaybe Ezio?

Do you still want to lynch Rdrivera? If so, why? Your post didn't give a real solid case on him.

What type of solid case do you ever expect on Rdrivera? He always seems reasonably towny. I always look at what he is posting, and how well it matches with my thoughts on the game.

So far, none of it matches. Thus I am highly suspicious.

[Vecna]

Also, some shameless advertising (and ill pm some people directly);

This game on mafiascum is really in need of a replacement, and we've exhausted all our availlable replacement slots; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77055

Its a slot that is mechanically confirmed town. But the game already has 270 pages. If someone feels like diving in, feel free to pm me, either here, or the game mod on that website.

[Fluminator]

I'll be back soon.
Theres enough scumminess going around that town reads are being sold for cheap right now so nows your chance to get in my good books.