Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:56 am
not that you deserve death for being obstructive tho
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This wagon analysis ignores anyone who joined and left the wagon, which makes it very shallow.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:56 amUgh. Looking at the bandwagon on me:
We've got HB who started it. I townread him. I don't blame him for claiming that I lied about my discard. I think he *should* have kept it secret and known I was full of shit, but I think that should have made him townread more.
Everyone else on the wagon looks terrible.
Donny dude has followed ppl around and I don't remember a serious post from him. I think he followed me onto someone else, but idr for sure.
Emc has been his usual hedgely self, so I have no idea how hedgy to expect him to be this game. He's usually a profitable early DK, so I exepect that to be effective this true as well.
Vecna/Jasnah have both been far too awol to be following the game closely. I honestly townread vecna but scumread jasnah for it. Maybe my meta reads are wrong for it, but I've found vecna gives many fewer shits while scum.
HR and celaph are the weird ones.
obviously no scumead on celaph for his vote; he was trying to save himself. If I was around I would have voted him.
Hr has the bigger issue. Frankly, imo, everyone who ended their day on me looks quite scummy for it and should be asked to defend their position quite vigorously.
Dude I'm supposed to get NK'd for this claim. I ensured that by asking you what you thought about it and having you confirm I'm a pure mechanic player.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 amOk, Ezio, my issue here is that the meta here has only very very recently evolved into fake claiming to cover for town PRs, so your expectation has to have been that you'd be counterclaimed here. You seem to truly believe that there's a pro-town reason for you to make your claim, but if you believe that, you also believe that you can get away with it as scum by saying "this makes way more sense as town than scum", and then we're back to the real outcome, which is outing the person with the card or learning that town probably doesn't have a doctor.
Fam I'm 6 shots deep. Of course all my analysis is going to be shallow.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:57 amThis wagon analysis ignores anyone who joined and left the wagon, which makes it very shallow.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:56 amUgh. Looking at the bandwagon on me:
We've got HB who started it. I townread him. I don't blame him for claiming that I lied about my discard. I think he *should* have kept it secret and known I was full of shit, but I think that should have made him townread more.
Everyone else on the wagon looks terrible.
Donny dude has followed ppl around and I don't remember a serious post from him. I think he followed me onto someone else, but idr for sure.
Emc has been his usual hedgely self, so I have no idea how hedgy to expect him to be this game. He's usually a profitable early DK, so I exepect that to be effective this true as well.
Vecna/Jasnah have both been far too awol to be following the game closely. I honestly townread vecna but scumread jasnah for it. Maybe my meta reads are wrong for it, but I've found vecna gives many fewer shits while scum.
HR and celaph are the weird ones.
obviously no scumead on celaph for his vote; he was trying to save himself. If I was around I would have voted him.
Hr has the bigger issue. Frankly, imo, everyone who ended their day on me looks quite scummy for it and should be asked to defend their position quite vigorously.
Bullshit. The former is bad, because scum no longer have to dance around things. The latter is minorly good, because scum will be picking from a couple obvious targets without fear, but that still doesn't guarantee docsaves. The biggest power a doctor has is creating fear of a doctor.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:58 amDude I'm supposed to get NK'd for this claim. I ensured that by asking you what you thought about it and having you confirm I'm a pure mechanic player.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 amOk, Ezio, my issue here is that the meta here has only very very recently evolved into fake claiming to cover for town PRs, so your expectation has to have been that you'd be counterclaimed here. You seem to truly believe that there's a pro-town reason for you to make your claim, but if you believe that, you also believe that you can get away with it as scum by saying "this makes way more sense as town than scum", and then we're back to the real outcome, which is outing the person with the card or learning that town probably doesn't have a doctor.
How much does learning town doesn't have a doctor cost town?
How much does scum thinking town doesn't have a doctor when we actually do help town?
When you realize the second helps town way more than the first hurts town, you realize fakeclaiming town has no doctor makes way more sense.
Oh cmon. What do you mean the latter doesn't guarantee docsaves? There are only going to be 1-2 pr's outed each phase, at an absolute worst. This gives our doc as many chances as they could ever want to get a save, with scum assuming there is no doc.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:02 amBullshit. The former is bad, because scum no longer have to dance around things. The latter is minorly good, because scum will be picking from a couple obvious targets without fear, but that still doesn't guarantee docsaves. The biggest power a doctor has is creating fear of a doctor.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:58 amDude I'm supposed to get NK'd for this claim. I ensured that by asking you what you thought about it and having you confirm I'm a pure mechanic player.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 amOk, Ezio, my issue here is that the meta here has only very very recently evolved into fake claiming to cover for town PRs, so your expectation has to have been that you'd be counterclaimed here. You seem to truly believe that there's a pro-town reason for you to make your claim, but if you believe that, you also believe that you can get away with it as scum by saying "this makes way more sense as town than scum", and then we're back to the real outcome, which is outing the person with the card or learning that town probably doesn't have a doctor.
How much does learning town doesn't have a doctor cost town?
How much does scum thinking town doesn't have a doctor when we actually do help town?
When you realize the second helps town way more than the first hurts town, you realize fakeclaiming town has no doctor makes way more sense.
It buys one save maximum.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:04 amOh cmon. What do you mean the latter doesn't guarantee docsaves? There are only going to be 1-2 pr's outed each phase, at an absolute worst. This gives our doc as many chances as they could ever want to get a save, with scum assuming there is no doc.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:02 amBullshit. The former is bad, because scum no longer have to dance around things. The latter is minorly good, because scum will be picking from a couple obvious targets without fear, but that still doesn't guarantee docsaves. The biggest power a doctor has is creating fear of a doctor.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:58 am
Dude I'm supposed to get NK'd for this claim. I ensured that by asking you what you thought about it and having you confirm I'm a pure mechanic player.
How much does learning town doesn't have a doctor cost town?
How much does scum thinking town doesn't have a doctor when we actually do help town?
When you realize the second helps town way more than the first hurts town, you realize fakeclaiming town has no doctor makes way more sense.
And isn't that fucking great? It gives us maximum chances for us to get a docsave while costing us a potential mafia NK on a VT?ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:06 amIt buys one save maximum.Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:04 amOh cmon. What do you mean the latter doesn't guarantee docsaves? There are only going to be 1-2 pr's outed each phase, at an absolute worst. This gives our doc as many chances as they could ever want to get a save, with scum assuming there is no doc.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:02 am
Bullshit. The former is bad, because scum no longer have to dance around things. The latter is minorly good, because scum will be picking from a couple obvious targets without fear, but that still doesn't guarantee docsaves. The biggest power a doctor has is creating fear of a doctor.
Hi Donny! Can you make some posts that are substantial, not parroting and not asking shallow questions? Thanks!
Did you forget my post from ten minutes ago? The downside is revealing there's no doctor and letting scum run riot for the entire game!
Gee whiz, my obnoxious fake claim which was unlikely to benefit town in any way and caused massive chaos is really townie, every single person on my wagon is like almost definitely scum and everyone else is town!Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:09 amIs the downside seriously that ya'll are fucking crazy and dk me or it? Is that the actual universe we're living in? If so, congrats.
Instead, I think we're living in the world where the ppl on my wagon look like absolute shite and will therefore be scumread for it. The people elsewhere look fine.
I did not like ghug's post at all as it could be used by scum ghug to earn credit if hr is town by claiming a vague feeling.BobMcBob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:11 amHi Donny! Can you make some posts that are substantial, not parroting and not asking shallow questions? Thanks!
Dude someone's gonna pick doc if they can. How many cards are dealt? What're the odds town doc is actually in the game? All they have to do is keep their mouth shut and this works perfectly.
Do you actually believe this was unliikely to benefit town in any way? What of every other world where it works fucking great.BobMcBob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:14 amGee whiz, my obnoxious fake claim which was unlikely to benefit town in any way and caused massive chaos is really townie, every single person on my wagon is like almost definitely scum and everyone else is town!Ezio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:09 amIs the downside seriously that ya'll are fucking crazy and dk me or it? Is that the actual universe we're living in? If so, congrats.
Instead, I think we're living in the world where the ppl on my wagon look like absolute shite and will therefore be scumread for it. The people elsewhere look fine.